507.00 or 505.01 VW ?

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Help needed. Is the new VW oil 504.00 507.00 required in my 2015 Passat 2.0L TDI able to be used in my 2005 Passat TDI 2.0 L BHW camshaft driven injectors? I have used only VW 505.01 in my 2005 Passat BHW. I think they are different requirements. Different oil. Thanks for you help.


2005 Passat TDI 2.0L BHW
2015 Passat TDI 2.0L
Lloyd T
 
this should help, in short 507 oils superceed 505.01 oils

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=158788

this being said many of us tdi owners don't follow VW's oil recommendations because the PD engines eat their cams at an alarming rate using "VW recommended oil". ( i am not trying to start an oil war)

I have been using a qualtiy DINO 15w40 (CJ) and i have over 200k on my original cam, many of my friends on the tdi club had their cams die in the 80 k range (or even lower). My OCI is 6 months or 5000 miles.

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=237678
 
Originally Posted By: LloydT
Help needed. Is the new VW oil 504.00 507.00 required in my 2015 Passat 2.0L TDI able to be used in my 2005 Passat TDI 2.0 L BHW camshaft driven injectors? I have used only VW 505.01 in my 2005 Passat BHW. I think they are different requirements. Different oil. Thanks for you help.


2005 Passat TDI 2.0L BHW
2015 Passat TDI 2.0L
Lloyd T

Use VW 505.01 in PD TDI.
You have several options, but most handy is Valvoline 5W40 MST in NAPA> Sometimes they have it on sale for $3.99 a quart. I use it in BMW in summer months.
 
I wouldn't use a 5W-30 of any rating in a PD TDI. The VW 507.00 is an excellent oil for it's intended application but knowing the problems that the PD engines have I would use only a 5W-40 product.

As edyvw mentioned, the Valvoline that is available at every NAPA store would be a good option. I would be far more inclined to use the 505.01 in the common rail TDI than to use the 507.00 in the pumpe-düse.
 
Originally Posted By: LloydT
Help needed. Is the new VW oil 504.00 507.00 required in my 2015 Passat 2.0L TDI able to be used in my 2005 Passat TDI 2.0 L BHW camshaft driven injectors? I have used only VW 505.01 in my 2005 Passat BHW. I think they are different requirements. Different oil. Thanks for you help.


2005 Passat TDI 2.0L BHW
2015 Passat TDI 2.0L
Lloyd T


VW 507.00 or 505.01 are both recommended by VW for PD engines.


You could possibly rationalise VW 507.00 for both cars, price aside.
 
Originally Posted By: Kamele0N
505.01 is FULL saps version


505 01 has a maximum sulfated ash limit of 0.8%.
 
Got Good results in the late wife's 2005 Beetle TDi (1.9L) with the Pumpe Duese engine (camshaft driven unit injectors like your 2005 Passat), with Rotella T6 5W40. It's all about the oil having an HTHS value > 3.5 for that engine.
 
Originally Posted By: weasley
Originally Posted By: Kamele0N
505.01 is FULL saps version


505 01 has a maximum sulfated ash limit of 0.8%.

+1
...and it usually associates with ACEA C3.
 
History (and UOA) has shown that CJ-4 oils protect as good or better in PDs than any VW-spec oil. Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck, Shell Rotella T6, Schaeffer 9000 or Amsoil DEO are all fairly easy to get and protect well.

The CR engines got full roller valvetrains so the mega-HTHS, high moly, high ZDDP oils aren't needed.

The 2015 needs 507.00 for DPF protection; the 2005 needs CJ-4 for camshaft protection.
 
Originally Posted By: Kamele0N
They are both for PD engine...

505.01 is FULL saps version

507 is LOW saps version (for DPF catalyst)

Nope.
VW 502.00=Full SAPS
VW505.01=Mid-SAPS
VW504/507=Low SAPS
 
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: Kamele0N
They are both for PD engine...

505.01 is FULL saps version

507 is LOW saps version (for DPF catalyst)

Nope.
VW 502.00=Full SAPS
VW505.01=Mid-SAPS
VW504/507=Low SAPS


Not quite.

502 00 is full SAPS (1.5% max)
505 01 is mid SAPS (0.8% max)
504 00/507 00 is a bit odd. The VW spec document says 1.5% max ash (so full SAPS). BUT, it also says that the oil must meet ACEA C3, which is 0.8% max ash, so mid SAPS. The outcome is that 504 00/507 00 = mid SAPS.

AFAIK there is no low SAPS VW spec (<0.5% ash).
 
Originally Posted By: weasley
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: Kamele0N
They are both for PD engine...

505.01 is FULL saps version

507 is LOW saps version (for DPF catalyst)

Nope.
VW 502.00=Full SAPS
VW505.01=Mid-SAPS
VW504/507=Low SAPS


Not quite.

502 00 is full SAPS (1.5% max)
505 01 is mid SAPS (0.8% max)
504 00/507 00 is a bit odd. The VW spec document says 1.5% max ash (so full SAPS). BUT, it also says that the oil must meet ACEA C3, which is 0.8% max ash, so mid SAPS. The outcome is that 504 00/507 00 = mid SAPS.

AFAIK there is no low SAPS VW spec (div>

Well, VW 504.00/507.00 is all ready old spec. if we will keep a track. it was considered low SAPS since to meet other parameters of VW504.00/507.00 oils could not have high levels of SAPS, hence most have around 0.6-0.7.
I know that spec. allows actually very high SAPS levels, but no oil has it since other parameters would not be achieved.
 
Originally Posted By: LloydT
Help needed. Is the new VW oil 504.00 507.00 required in my 2015 Passat 2.0L TDI able to be used in my 2005 Passat TDI 2.0 L BHW camshaft driven injectors? I have used only VW 505.01 in my 2005 Passat BHW. I think they are different requirements. Different oil. Thanks for you help.


Yes, different engines so different oils.

For the common-rail 2015 Passat TDI, stick to the VAG 504/507 spec oils.

For the 2005 pumpe duse (PD) Passat TDI, the best oil is probably a 5w40 meeting the API CJ-4 or new CK-4 specification.

But if you want a single oil for both engines, then you should probably use the VAG 504/507 spec oil.
 
Thanks for all the support. Great info. I have 225,000 on the 2005 PD with org cam. using 505.01 but will change to 5W40 instead of 5W30.
Thanks for the help.
Lloyd T
 
A little late to the party, but the key is to use 5w40 with the PD motors, as others have said. Many folks have used non-VW certified CJ-4 oils in 5w40 with great success such as Schaeffer, M1 TDT, Rotella T6. And the 505.01 in the 5w40 weight works great too.

507.00 may technically 'supercede' or be backwards compatible to 505.01 spec. But the problem is 507.00 only comes in 5w30. For anyone with a 2004-05 Passat TDI, your owner's manual is very clear that you should only use 505.01 certified oil in 5w40 weight. Your car came with 5w40, and 5w40 should be used across all temp ranges for normal driving. If engine oil viscosity grade SAE 5w40 is not available, then you can use SAE 5w30 for topping up. That's what your owners manual says.

There is a disconnect with VW dealerships and they think any VW 505.01 certified oil is fine for use in the BHW engine. The 5w30 version should only be used when 5w40 is not available, as your owner's manual states quite clearly. The 5w40 flavor of 505.01 has its own part number and is readily available at any VW dealership, so a VW dealership would never have any valid reason to put 5w30 in a BHW, whether it is 505.01 or 507.00 certified. The 505.01 in 5w40 carries VW part# G-052-167-M2.

I don't have a BEW or BRM to know what it says in the owners manuals of those vehicles, but I presume it is same/similar language. 5w30 is a cam toaster for the PD motors. Full stop.
 
Originally Posted By: Zambee500
I don't have a BEW or BRM to know what it says in the owners manuals of those vehicles, but I presume it is same/similar language. 5w30 is a cam toaster for the PD motors. Full stop.


The owner's manual was always vague, and there were several different versions of information out there. My very late BEW came with the mush-mouth "505.01 compliant" language. Some BEWs came with Big Scary Warning Stickers in the engine compartment about "expressly conforming to 505.01". There were several massive threads on TDIClub about Amsoil's "meets or exceeds" language versus VW's "compliant" or "conforming" language... ugh. And the whole time CI-4 or CJ-4 worked just fine! There were even reports of many PDs using 15w40 without issue.

While 5w30 has a higher correlation to more rapid & severe cam wear, I ran 5w30 507.00 LongLife III for many years without issue - heck, I even ran 10k miles on 506.01 0w30! It was wild and crazy times in the PD world back then. For whatever reason, some PDs seem to last forever with their cam (340k+ kilometers on mine so far), others munched them up in short term no matter what oil was used.
 
Originally Posted By: Tornado Red
Originally Posted By: LloydT
Help needed. Is the new VW oil 504.00 507.00 required in my 2015 Passat 2.0L TDI able to be used in my 2005 Passat TDI 2.0 L BHW camshaft driven injectors? I have used only VW 505.01 in my 2005 Passat BHW. I think they are different requirements. Different oil. Thanks for you help.


Yes, different engines so different oils.

For the common-rail 2015 Passat TDI, stick to the VAG 504/507 spec oils.

For the 2005 pumpe duse (PD) Passat TDI, the best oil is probably a 5w40 meeting the API CJ-4 or new CK-4 specification.

But if you want a single oil for both engines, then you should probably use the VAG 504/507 spec oil.


I have to retract what I wrote previously. I do not think a person should use the same oil for the two very different engines. I do not advise using the 504/507 oil in the older PD engine.
 
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