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#4491826 - 08/18/17 10:50 AM PP 0W-20 10,065 miles Accord V6 6MT
Daschicken Offline


Registered: 01/09/17
Posts: 16
Loc: Georgia, USA
19 months and 10,065 miles of use got me these results. According to average speeds from fillups, fuelly is saying I do 2/3 highway and 1/3 city driving. I usually drive at very low rpm except when accelerating, and I shut the engine off when I am going to be waiting at a stop light for more than 15 seconds. As of lately, probably the last thousand or so miles in this oil change I got an engine block(coolant) heater and have been preheating the car before starting it. Yes, even when it is 85 degrees outside I still use the heater. The engine will idle at 1000 rpm cold, or 700 rpm if preheated, and it runs smoother when preheated as well!

At around the 7000 mile mark I had to add a quart of oil, I had an oil pan and drain plug leak that were fixed after this oil change, so I may not have to add any oil this time around.


Here is what Blackstone had to say:

"We're not sure how the TBN would've read without the added oil. Probably lower, but it's hard to say how much. In terms of metals, only aluminum (pistons or bearings) is a bit elevated. Iron is high, but since it accumulates with use, this level is fine for the mileage. The TBN's good at 2.5, and no contamination was found. Let's see how aluminum looks after 11,500 miles."


Code:
Oil       Penzoil Platinum 0W-20         Universal averages
Miles in use          10,065
Miles                 148,814
Sample taken         6/25/2017
Make up oil added       1 qt

Aluminum                 9                              3
Chromium                 1                              1
Iron                    20                              9
Copper                   1                              9
Lead                     0                              2
Tin                      1                              1
Molybdenum              51                              74
Nickel                   0                              0
Manganese                2                              1
Silver                   0                              0
Titanium                 0                              2
Potassium                1                              2
Boron                    5                              51
Silicon                 13                              11
Sodium                  78                              38
Calcium                2190                            2109
Magnesium                7                              130
Phosphorus              610                             691
Zinc                    693                             815
Barium                   0                              0
                               Values Should be

SUS Viscosity @ 210F    53.0         46-49
cST Viscosity @ 100C    8.17        6.0-10.2
Flashpoint in F         430           >385
Fuel %                 <0.5           <2.0
Antifreeze %            0.0            0.0
Water %                 0.0           <0.1
Insolubles %            0.3           <0.6
TBN                     3.5           >1.0
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#4491833 - 08/18/17 11:07 AM Re: PP 0W-20 10,065 miles Accord V6 6MT [Re: Daschicken]
Donald Offline


Registered: 03/21/04
Posts: 20455
Loc: Upstate NY
The block heater is a waste of time.

I would do another 10k OCI and not listen to Blackstone who want to push it.
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#4491849 - 08/18/17 11:22 AM Re: PP 0W-20 10,065 miles Accord V6 6MT [Re: Donald]
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Registered: 03/09/16
Posts: 835
Loc: PA,US
Originally Posted By: Donald
The block heater is a waste of time.

I would do another 10k OCI and not listen to Blackstone who want to push it.


Especially with 0w20 in the south. In winter months maybe, but not in the summer. Some of those block heaters pull a good amount of electricity (might not be much $$ wise I'm not sure).
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#4491856 - 08/18/17 11:43 AM Re: PP 0W-20 10,065 miles Accord V6 6MT [Re: Donald]
Daschicken Offline


Registered: 01/09/17
Posts: 16
Loc: Georgia, USA
I want to push it. My undertray isn't all that fun to remove and put back on...




As far as the cost of block heating: The electricity can pay for itself in improved fuel economy with UP TO 3 hours of heater use. After that, the heat introduced and the heat lost to surroundings pretty much equal out. You can rely on a block heater to heat the coolant about 50 degrees F above ambient, but that is about all it will do. I plug in my heater for between 30 minutes to 2 hours and get increased coolant temps between 15 degrees F and 40 degrees F, even in 70+ degree weather.
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#4491859 - 08/18/17 11:47 AM Re: PP 0W-20 10,065 miles Accord V6 6MT [Re: Daschicken]
HemiHawk Offline


Registered: 03/09/16
Posts: 835
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Is all that undertray factory??

Also, fair enough about your points on electricity and fuel economy, it sounds like you've worked out the numbers.
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#4491869 - 08/18/17 12:06 PM Re: PP 0W-20 10,065 miles Accord V6 6MT [Re: Daschicken]
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Registered: 07/22/15
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That cover is a mess!

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#4491873 - 08/18/17 12:11 PM Re: PP 0W-20 10,065 miles Accord V6 6MT [Re: HemiHawk]
Daschicken Offline


Registered: 01/09/17
Posts: 16
Loc: Georgia, USA
Nope, not factory. This is what it would look like from the factory.




It is dirty because it used to leak oil, and my hands are usually oily when working on it. Plus that stuff doesn't really want to come out!

Here is the rear diffuser, which IS factory on the hybrid models.





Edited by Daschicken (08/18/17 12:12 PM)
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#4491886 - 08/18/17 12:26 PM Re: PP 0W-20 10,065 miles Accord V6 6MT [Re: Daschicken]
HemiHawk Offline


Registered: 03/09/16
Posts: 835
Loc: PA,US
Now I only have more questions... What is the tray for? Did you add it for fuel economy savings on the highway? What is it made of? if it works to a measurable degree its pretty neat.

I do remember the filter location on my 08 Civic Si to be horrible, not sure if its the case with your 3.0.
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#4491895 - 08/18/17 12:37 PM Re: PP 0W-20 10,065 miles Accord V6 6MT [Re: Daschicken]
JoelB Offline


Registered: 06/27/16
Posts: 220
Loc: Minnesota
Seems like a whole lot of effort for not much gain.
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#4491918 - 08/18/17 01:07 PM Re: PP 0W-20 10,065 miles Accord V6 6MT [Re: Daschicken]
Danh Offline


Registered: 10/16/10
Posts: 1749
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Dunno if these UOA results are abnormal or not, but I'd stop turning off the engine at stoplights and ditch the underbody tray. There's always a bit of extra wear during start-up; factory designed systems crank the engine much faster before introducing fuel, which mitigates the problem. And one unintended consequence of the underbody tray could be higher oil temperature as it seems to inhibit airflow over the oil pan. Perhaps neither issue is a contributor, but just my $.02.

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#4491955 - 08/18/17 01:48 PM Re: PP 0W-20 10,065 miles Accord V6 6MT [Re: Daschicken]
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Registered: 12/30/06
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I keep wondering how these and the K24 models would "like" 5W30 vs 0W20,especially in the southern US.
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#4491960 - 08/18/17 01:53 PM Re: PP 0W-20 10,065 miles Accord V6 6MT [Re: Daschicken]
MolaKule Offline


Registered: 06/05/02
Posts: 19042
Loc: Iowegia - USA
~1 ppm/1k for aluminum and 2 ppm/1k for Iron?

No problem.

However, the added 1 quart at 7K definately skewed the results somewhat.


Edited by MolaKule (08/18/17 01:56 PM)

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#4491961 - 08/18/17 01:53 PM Re: PP 0W-20 10,065 miles Accord V6 6MT [Re: Daschicken]
MolaKule Offline


Registered: 06/05/02
Posts: 19042
Loc: Iowegia - USA
dupe


Edited by MolaKule (08/18/17 01:54 PM)

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#4492036 - 08/18/17 03:49 PM Re: PP 0W-20 10,065 miles Accord V6 6MT [Re: Daschicken]
dgunay Offline


Registered: 12/05/14
Posts: 610
Loc: Toronto
I would recommend using duct tape on the body panel gaps, to get better fuel economy. grin

If you want to push it more, you should use PUP. I wouldn't extend it with PP without seeing the TAN.
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#4492084 - 08/18/17 04:51 PM Re: PP 0W-20 10,065 miles Accord V6 6MT [Re: Daschicken]
MobilinHyundia Offline


Registered: 09/27/10
Posts: 366
Loc: Ontario, Canada
I do 15 000 miles on PP and the results are excellent. Now we get PUP in Canada which I still have not tried but hopefully soon.


Edited by MobilinHyundia (08/18/17 04:52 PM)
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