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PP 0W-20 10,065 miles Accord V6 6MT #4491826
08/18/17 10:50 AM
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Daschicken Offline OP
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19 months and 10,065 miles of use got me these results. According to average speeds from fillups, fuelly is saying I do 2/3 highway and 1/3 city driving. I usually drive at very low rpm except when accelerating, and I shut the engine off when I am going to be waiting at a stop light for more than 15 seconds. As of lately, probably the last thousand or so miles in this oil change I got an engine block(coolant) heater and have been preheating the car before starting it. Yes, even when it is 85 degrees outside I still use the heater. The engine will idle at 1000 rpm cold, or 700 rpm if preheated, and it runs smoother when preheated as well!

At around the 7000 mile mark I had to add a quart of oil, I had an oil pan and drain plug leak that were fixed after this oil change, so I may not have to add any oil this time around.


Here is what Blackstone had to say:

"We're not sure how the TBN would've read without the added oil. Probably lower, but it's hard to say how much. In terms of metals, only aluminum (pistons or bearings) is a bit elevated. Iron is high, but since it accumulates with use, this level is fine for the mileage. The TBN's good at 2.5, and no contamination was found. Let's see how aluminum looks after 11,500 miles."


Code:
Oil       Penzoil Platinum 0W-20         Universal averages
Miles in use          10,065
Miles                 148,814
Sample taken         6/25/2017
Make up oil added       1 qt

Aluminum                 9                              3
Chromium                 1                              1
Iron                    20                              9
Copper                   1                              9
Lead                     0                              2
Tin                      1                              1
Molybdenum              51                              74
Nickel                   0                              0
Manganese                2                              1
Silver                   0                              0
Titanium                 0                              2
Potassium                1                              2
Boron                    5                              51
Silicon                 13                              11
Sodium                  78                              38
Calcium                2190                            2109
Magnesium                7                              130
Phosphorus              610                             691
Zinc                    693                             815
Barium                   0                              0
                               Values Should be

SUS Viscosity @ 210F    53.0         46-49
cST Viscosity @ 100C    8.17        6.0-10.2
Flashpoint in F         430           >385
Fuel %                 <0.5           <2.0
Antifreeze %            0.0            0.0
Water %                 0.0           <0.1
Insolubles %            0.3           <0.6
TBN                     3.5           >1.0


2006 Accord V6 6 Speed Sedan-146K
0W20 PP

Re: PP 0W-20 10,065 miles Accord V6 6MT [Re: Daschicken] #4491833
08/18/17 11:07 AM
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The block heater is a waste of time.

I would do another 10k OCI and not listen to Blackstone who want to push it.


2015 Subaru Forester 2.5 engine/CVT
2015 Ford F250 w/Powerstroke
2016 Subaru Crosstrek CVT (wife's)
Re: PP 0W-20 10,065 miles Accord V6 6MT [Re: Donald] #4491849
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Originally Posted By: Donald
The block heater is a waste of time.

I would do another 10k OCI and not listen to Blackstone who want to push it.


Especially with 0w20 in the south. In winter months maybe, but not in the summer. Some of those block heaters pull a good amount of electricity (might not be much $$ wise I'm not sure).


2016 Nissan Frontier Pro4x
2017 VW GTI sport
1995 Mustang GTS
Re: PP 0W-20 10,065 miles Accord V6 6MT [Re: Donald] #4491856
08/18/17 11:43 AM
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Daschicken Offline OP
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I want to push it. My undertray isn't all that fun to remove and put back on...




As far as the cost of block heating: The electricity can pay for itself in improved fuel economy with UP TO 3 hours of heater use. After that, the heat introduced and the heat lost to surroundings pretty much equal out. You can rely on a block heater to heat the coolant about 50 degrees F above ambient, but that is about all it will do. I plug in my heater for between 30 minutes to 2 hours and get increased coolant temps between 15 degrees F and 40 degrees F, even in 70+ degree weather.


2006 Accord V6 6 Speed Sedan-146K
0W20 PP

Re: PP 0W-20 10,065 miles Accord V6 6MT [Re: Daschicken] #4491859
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Is all that undertray factory??

Also, fair enough about your points on electricity and fuel economy, it sounds like you've worked out the numbers.


2016 Nissan Frontier Pro4x
2017 VW GTI sport
1995 Mustang GTS
Re: PP 0W-20 10,065 miles Accord V6 6MT [Re: Daschicken] #4491869
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That cover is a mess!

Re: PP 0W-20 10,065 miles Accord V6 6MT [Re: HemiHawk] #4491873
08/18/17 12:11 PM
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Georgia, USA
Daschicken Offline OP
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Nope, not factory. This is what it would look like from the factory.




It is dirty because it used to leak oil, and my hands are usually oily when working on it. Plus that stuff doesn't really want to come out!

Here is the rear diffuser, which IS factory on the hybrid models.




Last edited by Daschicken; 08/18/17 12:12 PM.

2006 Accord V6 6 Speed Sedan-146K
0W20 PP

Re: PP 0W-20 10,065 miles Accord V6 6MT [Re: Daschicken] #4491886
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Now I only have more questions... What is the tray for? Did you add it for fuel economy savings on the highway? What is it made of? if it works to a measurable degree its pretty neat.

I do remember the filter location on my 08 Civic Si to be horrible, not sure if its the case with your 3.0.


2016 Nissan Frontier Pro4x
2017 VW GTI sport
1995 Mustang GTS
Re: PP 0W-20 10,065 miles Accord V6 6MT [Re: Daschicken] #4491895
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Seems like a whole lot of effort for not much gain.


Mine: 2018 Chevy spark (White) 1.4 Non-turbo
Mobil 1 0w20 AFE
ACDelco UPF64R

Wife's: 2018 Chevy spark (Blue) 1.4 Non-turbo
Factory fill
OEM filter
Re: PP 0W-20 10,065 miles Accord V6 6MT [Re: Daschicken] #4491918
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Dunno if these UOA results are abnormal or not, but I'd stop turning off the engine at stoplights and ditch the underbody tray. There's always a bit of extra wear during start-up; factory designed systems crank the engine much faster before introducing fuel, which mitigates the problem. And one unintended consequence of the underbody tray could be higher oil temperature as it seems to inhibit airflow over the oil pan. Perhaps neither issue is a contributor, but just my $.02.

Re: PP 0W-20 10,065 miles Accord V6 6MT [Re: Daschicken] #4491955
08/18/17 01:48 PM
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I keep wondering how these and the K24 models would "like" 5W30 vs 0W20,especially in the southern US.


1996 Nissan 300ZX 5-speed,Arctic Pearl(#175 of 300)
Quaker State Ultimate Durability 10W30
2012 Honda Accord Coupe EX-L 2.4,auto,San Marino Red
Quaker State Ultimate Durability 5W20

Re: PP 0W-20 10,065 miles Accord V6 6MT [Re: Daschicken] #4491960
08/18/17 01:53 PM
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~1 ppm/1k for aluminum and 2 ppm/1k for Iron?

No problem.

However, the added 1 quart at 7K definately skewed the results somewhat.

Last edited by MolaKule; 08/18/17 01:56 PM.

Reading is fundamental; understanding is not a given ability.
Re: PP 0W-20 10,065 miles Accord V6 6MT [Re: Daschicken] #4491961
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dupe

Last edited by MolaKule; 08/18/17 01:54 PM.

Reading is fundamental; understanding is not a given ability.
Re: PP 0W-20 10,065 miles Accord V6 6MT [Re: Daschicken] #4492036
08/18/17 03:49 PM
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I would recommend using duct tape on the body panel gaps, to get better fuel economy. grin

If you want to push it more, you should use PUP. I wouldn't extend it with PP without seeing the TAN.


2009 Acura CSX - PUP 0w20 / Fram XG7317 / Maxlife ATF
2018 Kawasaki Z650 - Motul 4T 5100 10w40 / OEM Oil Filter
Re: PP 0W-20 10,065 miles Accord V6 6MT [Re: Daschicken] #4492084
08/18/17 04:51 PM
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I do 15 000 miles on PP and the results are excellent. Now we get PUP in Canada which I still have not tried but hopefully soon.

Last edited by MobilinHyundia; 08/18/17 04:52 PM.

2009 Sonata GL 2.4L (226000km)-QS FS 5W20 ,OEM oil filter
2009 Sonata LTD 2.4L (170000km)Castrol Egde 5W20, RP filter

24000km/15000 mile oci so far
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