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Double blinded VOA study of muscle car oils #4483939
08/09/17 04:53 PM
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txchief Offline OP
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I've just received the oil analysis reports on 10 different "muscle car" oils blindly analyzed by three different labs. Getting started on my analysis of the findings, but I can already tell you there are going to be some big surprises and some disappointments. Stay tuned. I hope to be done in a couple of weeks. The results will be posted here.

Re: Double blinded VOA study of muscle car oils [Re: txchief] #4483949
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Let's hope the Saudi-Arabian/Dutch oils don't win. Rooting for the Americans.


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Re: Double blinded VOA study of muscle car oils [Re: txchief] #4484032
08/09/17 06:36 PM
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Why do I see a red flag being raised with this post? popcorn


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Re: Double blinded VOA study of muscle car oils [Re: BobsArmory] #4484052
08/09/17 07:00 PM
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Triton_330 Offline
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Originally Posted By: BobsArmory
Why do I see a red flag being raised with this post? popcorn

Is it because OP's a newbie?


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Re: Double blinded VOA study of muscle car oils [Re: txchief] #4484073
08/09/17 07:29 PM
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How is your study double blinded? Did the people driving the cars not know what kind of oil was put in it?

How were the engine and driving conditions normalized for all the oils?


Without data you're just another person with an opinion. W. E. Deming

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Re: Double blinded VOA study of muscle car oils [Re: Leo99] #4484101
08/09/17 07:55 PM
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Kira Offline
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I wonder if "Texas Tea" oil (available in 5 gallon pails) will win....y'all?

Re: Double blinded VOA study of muscle car oils [Re: Kira] #4484116
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Originally Posted By: Kira
I wonder if "Texas Tea" oil (available in 5 gallon pails) will win....y'all?

Hahaha


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Re: Double blinded VOA study of muscle car oils [Re: Leo99] #4484121
08/09/17 08:27 PM
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Triton_330 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Leo99
How is your study double blinded? Did the people driving the cars not know what kind of oil was put in it?

How were the engine and driving conditions normalized for all the oils?

OP said VOA. Virgin oil analysis.


2001 Ford F-150 XLT 4x4 5.4L V8 ~132k miles
-> PPHM 5w-20 w/Fram Ultra
1989 Chevrolet Camaro RS 5.0L TBI V8 ~48k miles
-> Milesyn SB 5w-30 w/Puro Boss
Re: Double blinded VOA study of muscle car oils [Re: Triton_330] #4484143
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Leo99 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Triton_330
Originally Posted By: Leo99
How is your study double blinded? Did the people driving the cars not know what kind of oil was put in it?

How were the engine and driving conditions normalized for all the oils?

OP said VOA. Virgin oil analysis.


Gotcha. So, who is the OP blinded to which oils are which? Or are we just using "double blinded" in a colloquial way?


Without data you're just another person with an opinion. W. E. Deming

2003 Corolla 250,000 miles (RIP)
2004 Corolla 125,000 miles
2004 Rav4 370,000 miles
2015 Camry 70,000 miles
Re: Double blinded VOA study of muscle car oils [Re: txchief] #4484217
08/09/17 10:59 PM
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The land of USA-made Subies!
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Why only give the results after your analysis of the lab results? It should be pretty simple, list each oil in a row with all three labs' results in columns... let the data do the talking, which is what VOAs should do.

Re: Double blinded VOA study of muscle car oils [Re: txchief] #4484235
08/09/17 11:46 PM
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Artem Offline
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I wanna be disappointed at some random Lab. Let's see the results!!! popcorn


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Re: Double blinded VOA study of muscle car oils [Re: txchief] #4484248
08/10/17 02:23 AM
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Neely97 Offline
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And the winner is Dollar General 10w-30 , er uh was that Dollar Tree ?

Last edited by Neely97; 08/10/17 02:24 AM.

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Re: Double blinded VOA study of muscle car oils [Re: txchief] #4484935
08/10/17 04:20 PM
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Triton_330 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Leo99
Originally Posted By: Triton_330
Originally Posted By: Leo99
How is your study double blinded? Did the people driving the cars not know what kind of oil was put in it?

How were the engine and driving conditions normalized for all the oils?

OP said VOA. Virgin oil analysis.

Gotcha. So, who is the OP blinded to which oils are which? Or are we just using "double blinded" in a colloquial way?

I have a feeling that you and possibly others here are misinterpreting OP's words.

OP said:

Originally Posted By: txchief
[...]oil analysis reports on 10 different "muscle car" oils blindly analyzed by three different labs[...]

Now, I could be wrong, but to me, that means this:

"I gave oil samples from 10 different oils to 3 different labs without telling the labs that 2 other labs would also be analyzing the 10 oil samples."

That makes the most sense to me. Of course, English was always my favorite subject in high school and college, despite having a B.S. in Computer Science.


2001 Ford F-150 XLT 4x4 5.4L V8 ~132k miles
-> PPHM 5w-20 w/Fram Ultra
1989 Chevrolet Camaro RS 5.0L TBI V8 ~48k miles
-> Milesyn SB 5w-30 w/Puro Boss
Re: Double blinded VOA study of muscle car oils [Re: txchief] #4484953
08/10/17 04:45 PM
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oil_film_movies Offline
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This isn't a "double-blind" study. That means the subject of an experiment doesn't know what thing they are getting, and the experimenter doesn't know what thing they are giving. This a a blind study, just single, not double.

Re: Double blinded VOA study of muscle car oils [Re: oil_film_movies] #4484962
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Triton_330 Offline
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Originally Posted By: oil_film_movies
This isn't a "double-blind" study. That means the subject of an experiment doesn't know what thing they are getting, and the experimenter doesn't know what thing they are giving. This a a blind study, just single, not double.

Which just supports exactly what I said. The 3 labs don't know 2 other labs are analyzing the same 10 oil samples.


2001 Ford F-150 XLT 4x4 5.4L V8 ~132k miles
-> PPHM 5w-20 w/Fram Ultra
1989 Chevrolet Camaro RS 5.0L TBI V8 ~48k miles
-> Milesyn SB 5w-30 w/Puro Boss
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