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Castrol EDGE High Milage Reformulation #4483496
08/09/17 09:43 AM
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Nebraska
Mathew_Boss Offline OP
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Check out the TBN, its over 11! if the pour point and MRV were lower this would be an incredible high milage oil.

https://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/FusionPDS.nsf/Files/3391138005AB58C68025816E005D789B/$File/BPXE-APTQAT.pdf


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Re: Castrol EDGE High Milage Reformulation [Re: Mathew_Boss] #4483526
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What's wrong with the pour point and MRV?

Re: Castrol EDGE High Milage Reformulation [Re: drtyler] #4483578
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Originally Posted By: drtyler
What's wrong with the pour point and MRV?


-39 Pour point for a 0W? thats weak and MRV of 30k? just not Ideal for people that live in cold regions.


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Re: Castrol EDGE High Milage Reformulation [Re: Mathew_Boss] #4483582
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Originally Posted By: Mathew_Boss
Originally Posted By: drtyler
What's wrong with the pour point and MRV?


-39 Pour point for a 0W? thats weak and MRV of 30k? just not Ideal for people that live in cold regions.


Where in the U.S. does it get to -39?

Re: Castrol EDGE High Milage Reformulation [Re: Matagonka] #4483598
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Originally Posted By: Matagonka
Originally Posted By: Mathew_Boss
Originally Posted By: drtyler
What's wrong with the pour point and MRV?


-39 Pour point for a 0W? thats weak and MRV of 30k? just not Ideal for people that live in cold regions.


Where in the U.S. does it get to -39?

Really?
https://weather.com/news/climate/news/coldest-temperature-recorded-50-states

I have been in an area of Maine twice when it was below -40.

Re: Castrol EDGE High Milage Reformulation [Re: Mathew_Boss] #4483610
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The pour point doesn't really matter, the oil is obviously pumpable at -40C based on the MRV.


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Re: Castrol EDGE High Milage Reformulation [Re: Mathew_Boss] #4483613
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Originally Posted By: Mathew_Boss
Originally Posted By: drtyler
What's wrong with the pour point and MRV?

-39 Pour point for a 0W? thats weak and MRV of 30k? just not Ideal for people that live in cold regions.

Pour point is largely irrelevant, and the MRV meets the requirements for a 0W oil. There are other 0W-20 oils that have the same MRV number.


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Re: Castrol EDGE High Milage Reformulation [Re: Matagonka] #4483618
08/09/17 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted By: Matagonka
Originally Posted By: Mathew_Boss
Originally Posted By: drtyler
What's wrong with the pour point and MRV?


-39 Pour point for a 0W? thats weak and MRV of 30k? just not Ideal for people that live in cold regions.


Where in the U.S. does it get to -39?


Lowest Temperature -60 F -51.1 C February 2, 1996 Tower Minnesota

Lowest Temperature -61 F / -52 C February 1, 1985 Maybell Colorado (Right Beside NE)

Lowest Temperataur -70 F / -57 C January 20, 1954 Lincoln Montana

Lowest Temperature -69 F / -56 C February 1, 1985 Garden City Utah

Lowest Temperature -50 F / -45 C January 16, 2009 Clayton Lake Maine

Lowest Temperature -80 F / -62 C January 23, 1971 Prospect Creek Alaska

I mean the coldest I have ever been in is -40, we go on family vacations to North Dakota and Minnesota in January. But the U.S. Gets cold

Last edited by Mathew_Boss; 08/09/17 11:40 AM.

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Re: Castrol EDGE High Milage Reformulation [Re: Mathew_Boss] #4483696
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An the pour point isn't just "it flows just fine at this temp." At -30F (common where we live) a -54 pour point M1 0w20 EP starts up a lot nicer than a -45 pour point Maxlife oil. That extra 10 degrees makes a HUGE difference. So a -30 pour point would not be good at all at a real -30. It would be a very rough start.

Re: Castrol EDGE High Milage Reformulation [Re: WillsYoda] #4483721
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Originally Posted By: WillsYoda
An the pour point isn't just "it flows just fine at this temp." At -30F (common where we live) a -54 pour point M1 0w20 EP starts up a lot nicer than a -45 pour point Maxlife oil. That extra 10 degrees makes a HUGE difference. So a -30 pour point would not be good at all at a real -30. It would be a very rough start.


I think you'll find what you are observing isn't pour point but rather superior CCS and MRV, which isn't surprising based on the majority PAO base of the EP 0w-20.


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Re: Castrol EDGE High Milage Reformulation [Re: OVERKILL] #4483773
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Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: WillsYoda
An the pour point isn't just "it flows just fine at this temp." At -30F (common where we live) a -54 pour point M1 0w20 EP starts up a lot nicer than a -45 pour point Maxlife oil. That extra 10 degrees makes a HUGE difference. So a -30 pour point would not be good at all at a real -30. It would be a very rough start.

I think you'll find what you are observing isn't pour point but rather superior CCS and MRV, which isn't surprising based on the majority PAO base of the EP 0w-20.

Yes. Pour point just isn't relative to starting.


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Re: Castrol EDGE High Milage Reformulation [Re: Mathew_Boss] #4483843
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If I lived in those temps I'd be looking at an engine block heater.


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Re: Castrol EDGE High Milage Reformulation [Re: Mathew_Boss] #4483905
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At those temps, I hope your battery is in really good shape/codition


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Re: Castrol EDGE High Milage Reformulation [Re: Mathew_Boss] #4483930
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I can't imagine anyone in their right mind who would regularly start their car unaided at -40 F or below. My old BMW lives in northern Wisconsin and will see -25 F during most winters. That is nothing to sneeze at, and can result in odd noises and other dramatics. If it was any colder I'd get some heaters for the engine and battery, but since the very low temperatures are only rarely seen it seems to work OK.


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Re: Castrol EDGE High Milage Reformulation [Re: kschachn] #4483944
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Originally Posted By: kschachn
I can't imagine anyone in their right mind who would regularly start their car unaided at -40 F or below.

I can imagine it if they live in an area where it gets that cold a lot. Police, Ambulance/EMT, Fire & Rescue; UPS, FedEx, USPS... And snow plows.

That said, I would hope that people in those areas use engine block heaters. The worst I ever saw in IL was -17. I had 5w-30 in my truck at the time, though I don't remember if it was semi-synthetic or full synthetic. I had to go somewhere - I don't remember where - and my truck whined really badly and I was praying she'd come out alive. After 10 minutes she was fine.


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