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#4483430 - 08/09/17 08:40 AM new police/state vehicles: no push bar?
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Registered: 08/12/11
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Hi BITOGers,

I see a lot of the new Police/State vehicles without the push-bar.

Did they incorporated in the bumper or they did go without for costs/policy reasons?

(Just curious)
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#4483439 - 08/09/17 08:53 AM Re: new police/state vehicles: no push bar? [Re: pandus13]
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Registered: 06/08/17
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Cops don't need to chase anyone anymore.

They send the perp a text and they slow down to 3mph just to read it. You can practically reach in and shut the vehicle.


Most PDs frown on bumper action. With the tech rollout they already know where to find you... in your jammies!

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#4483449 - 08/09/17 09:00 AM Re: new police/state vehicles: no push bar? [Re: pandus13]
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Registered: 08/15/08
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Probably more effective to just have a chopper that can chase a suspected until they crash or run out of gas.

And I'm sure lawsuits have made it harder for LEO to take action with a vehicle.

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#4483463 - 08/09/17 09:13 AM Re: new police/state vehicles: no push bar? [Re: pandus13]
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why the question:
I just remember about 4 years ago i saw an Impala Police vehicle sandwiched between 2 cars.... Total loss
(Going to guess trying to stop one of the car, they didn't stop and got push into the other?)
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#4483466 - 08/09/17 09:15 AM Re: new police/state vehicles: no push bar? [Re: pandus13]
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Cop cars have gone to unibody construction for the most part.
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#4483467 - 08/09/17 09:17 AM Re: new police/state vehicles: no push bar? [Re: pandus13]
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How would they attach the push bar? To the stamped steel subframe?

There hasn't been a bumper on a car in ages. A real bumper is made of steel and attached to a real frame. Today's "bumpers" are just plastic fascia attached by clips to the body. It's mostly for style and aerodynamics.
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#4483472 - 08/09/17 09:23 AM Re: new police/state vehicles: no push bar? [Re: PimTac]
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Originally Posted By: PimTac
How would they attach the push bar? To the stamped steel subframe?

There hasn't been a bumper on a car in ages. A real bumper is made of steel and attached to a real frame. Today's "bumpers" are just plastic fascia attached by clips to the body. It's mostly for style and aerodynamics.


That is the bumper cover. The actual bumper is behind the bumper cover.
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#4483506 - 08/09/17 09:50 AM Re: new police/state vehicles: no push bar? [Re: pandus13]
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Most of the push-bars that I would see in NYC in the early 2000s were all rusty, likely would fall apart if they were actually used. I also infrequently seen them nowadays, honestly see them more on the "trying-to-look-like-a-cop" crowd.
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#4483559 - 08/09/17 10:38 AM Re: new police/state vehicles: no push bar? [Re: pandus13]
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Pretty common on the new Explorer based patrol cars.



Setina still makes them, but they don't seem to be vehicle specific. I think that they're universal and the carmaker probably has to have some sort of fitting.

http://setina.com/push-bumpers/push-bumpers/

I'm surprised that they still insist on hubcaps though.

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#4483573 - 08/09/17 10:50 AM Re: new police/state vehicles: no push bar? [Re: pandus13]
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They are popular in some areas, and not others.
We've never had them in our SO, and they're not generally used in our area.
If we did have them, I could be in favor of them, but not due to LEO actions but more so due to impacts with animals (deer are thick as flies in rural IN).
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#4483580 - 08/09/17 11:00 AM Re: new police/state vehicles: no push bar? [Re: pandus13]
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Registered: 04/19/10
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Loc: Chicago, IL
Push bumpers add cost to an already expensive vehicle. These new police vehicles are not getting cheaper, nor are departments funding themselves flush with cash. A new Police Interceptor SUV (Explorer) is nearly $50,000. I suspect it's a cost-saving move.

For example, Chicago PD just announced they are buying 500 of those new Explorer-based vehicles at $47,000 each. If a push bumper adds, say, $2,000 to the cost of each vehicle, that's another million dollars on top of the already huge $23.5M price tag for those cars. Chicago is not exactly sitting on a huge cash surplus.

I can't even remember the last time I saw one on a Chicago PD vehicle. We still have tons of Crown Vics running around and they don't have the push bars, nor do the newer Explorers, Suburbans, or Tauruses. I occasionally see them on Illinois State Police vehicles, but their duties probably involve some different things than a cop in downtown Chicago would see.
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#4483646 - 08/09/17 12:10 PM Re: new police/state vehicles: no push bar? [Re: pandus13]
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Registered: 12/14/02
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Ive seen push bars on the cars that patrol big bridges.

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#4483660 - 08/09/17 12:20 PM Re: new police/state vehicles: no push bar? [Re: pandus13]
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Registered: 09/14/10
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Loc: S California
Maybe they just call a tow truck instead of pushing.

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#4483684 - 08/09/17 12:52 PM Re: new police/state vehicles: no push bar? [Re: pandus13]
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i think that the liabilty of using a push bar to move a car out of the road is quite high. your $100k car breaks down on the highway and a state trooper uses his push bar equipped car to push you to the side and really messes it up. So who is liable?

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#4483702 - 08/09/17 01:14 PM Re: new police/state vehicles: no push bar? [Re: pandus13]
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Pretty much all of the marked cars have them here no matter if they are a Vic or Explorer. I think the UCPD might not have them, but CHP, SBSO, SBPD all have them.

As far as liability, if you are blocking the road in your 100k car and they have to push it out of the way, that is on the vehicle owner for blocking the road.
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