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Baldwin Filters - FL1A & FL299 X-Refs (SAE 3/4-16) #4478282
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Mostly for the sake of allowing everyone to be able to see this data all at once, I made a chart consisting of Baldwin filters that are either Motorcraft FL1A or FL299 equivalents. Knowing that the FL1A is a very popular and widely used size, the first 3 filters listed are its equivalents. For anyone who either uses an FL299 size, or if anyone wanted to upsize from an FL1A to an FL299 size, the remaining 5 filters (below the first 3) are FL299 size equivalents. All are SAE 3/4-16 threads.

All of this information was gathered from an email sent directly from Baldwin themselves.



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Here is a link to the Word Document if you wish to download it for offline use:

http://puu.sh/x0LT2/457bf43a45.doc


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Re: Baldwin Filters - FL1A & FL299 X-Refs (SAE 3/4-16) [Re: Triton_330] #4478289
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Handy info, thanks for compiling!


Scambling for solutions is a hopelessly futile endeavour and potentially dangerous, without first coming to a solid, personal understanding of the problem. Beware riding the ideological hobby horse.
Re: Baldwin Filters - FL1A & FL299 X-Refs (SAE 3/4-16) [Re: Triton_330] #4478339
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Micron rating/efficiency is FAR FAR FAR more important than "element size"

Out of all these extremely porous filters, the Baldwin B7311-MPG is the only one that filters fine enough.


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Re: Baldwin Filters - FL1A & FL299 X-Refs (SAE 3/4-16) [Re: Triton_330] #4478388
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I really wanted to try the B7311-MPG on my truck as I think theres enough room but Amazon was out and then I got a deal on a bunch of Bosch D3500 on clearance so it will be a while before I need another filter.


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Re: Baldwin Filters - FL1A & FL299 X-Refs (SAE 3/4-16) [Re: Linctex] #4478458
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Originally Posted By: Linctex
Micron rating/efficiency is FAR FAR FAR more important than "element size"

Out of all these extremely porous filters, the Baldwin B7311-MPG is the only one that filters fine enough.


I appreciate the OP's work here and thank you.
I agree with Linctex and Baldwin has some QC issues they need to address before they get me back!

Re: Baldwin Filters - FL1A & FL299 X-Refs (SAE 3/4-16) [Re: Linctex] #4478508
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I'm pretty sure nominal means 50% and absolute means 99%+ sooo... I don't understand the complaints. Besides, Baldwin gives out more data and is friendlier than Wix. That being said, I have nothing against either of them and wouldn't hesitate to use a Baldwin or a Wix filter on any of my vehicles if the price was right.

The B2 is a cross-ref (and thus a direct competitor) to the 51515:
http://www.wixfilters.com/Lookup/PartDetails.aspx?Part=193964

The B2-HPG is a cross-ref (and thus a direct competitor) to the 57515:
http://www.wixfilters.com/Lookup/PartDetails.aspx?Part=1825888

I think a lot of people would have assumed the B2-HPG to be a competitor to the 51515XP, but the XP is touted as an extended drain filter like the Fram Ultra, Purolator Boss, Mobil 1, Royal Purple, and Amsoil filters. The Wix 51515 says "Media: Enhanced Cellulose," the Wix 57515 says "Media: Microglass," and the Wix 51515XP says "Media: Synthetic." If you want to know more details about the differences in those medias, feel free to email Wix, but there's no telling if they'll give you the kind of answer you're looking for.


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Re: Baldwin Filters - FL1A & FL299 X-Refs (SAE 3/4-16) [Re: Triton_330] #4478522
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Originally Posted By: Triton_330
I'm pretty sure nominal means 50% and absolute means 99%+


I doubt "absolute" means efficiency at 99%+. You should email Baldwin and find out.

Re: Baldwin Filters - FL1A & FL299 X-Refs (SAE 3/4-16) [Re: Triton_330] #4478539
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Re: Baldwin Filters - FL1A & FL299 X-Refs (SAE 3/4-16) [Re: ZeeOSix] #4478556
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Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Triton_330
I'm pretty sure nominal means 50% and absolute means 99%+


I doubt "absolute" means efficiency at 99%+. You should email Baldwin and find out.

Here's their email, if you want to ask them, go ahead: [email protected]


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Re: Baldwin Filters - FL1A & FL299 X-Refs (SAE 3/4-16) [Re: Triton_330] #4478562
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Re: Baldwin Filters - FL1A & FL299 X-Refs (SAE 3/4-16) [Re: WellOiled] #4478612
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Originally Posted By: WellOiled


That's old, they don't even reference ISO 4548-12 which is the current industry standard for oil filter testing.

Re: Baldwin Filters - FL1A & FL299 X-Refs (SAE 3/4-16) [Re: Triton_330] #4478615
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Originally Posted By: Triton_330
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Triton_330
I'm pretty sure nominal means 50% and absolute means 99%+

I doubt "absolute" means efficiency at 99%+. You should email Baldwin and find out.

Here's their email, if you want to ask them, go ahead: [email protected]

I'll pass, it's not my research project grin , but "absolute" efficiency is not at 99+%.

Re: Baldwin Filters - FL1A & FL299 X-Refs (SAE 3/4-16) [Re: ZeeOSix] #4478617
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Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Triton_330
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Triton_330
I'm pretty sure nominal means 50% and absolute means 99%+

I doubt "absolute" means efficiency at 99%+. You should email Baldwin and find out.

Here's their email, if you want to ask them, go ahead: [email protected]

I'll pass, it's not my research project grin , but "absolute" efficiency is not at 99+%.

Even though the document is old, Baldwin states beta 75 is absolute. That would be 98.7%.


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Re: Baldwin Filters - FL1A & FL299 X-Refs (SAE 3/4-16) [Re: WellOiled] #4478629
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Originally Posted By: WellOiled

Even though the document is old, Baldwin states beta 75 is absolute. That would be 98.7%.


I see that, they say "beta=75 is generally considered absolute". "Generally" the key word. If that's the case then you could say it mesns "99%" if rounded up.

Re: Baldwin Filters - FL1A & FL299 X-Refs (SAE 3/4-16) [Re: Triton_330] #4478654
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ZeeOSix - I agree with you. When you see a free standing micron rating without an efficiency associated with it, it is meaningless. Machinery Lubrication (Noria) says that in their article. The standard is ISO 4548-12 which you pointed out. The test is multi pass and measures particle counts upstream and downstream from the filter. The test is performed with a specific test dirt. So if the test dirt is 20 micron, the upstream particle count is 1000 and the downstream particle count is 30, then beta20=33.3. Efficiency is 97% @ 20 microns.

And, I did not see the word "generally". Good catch on your part.

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