2009 Toyota Venza 2.7cyl

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I tried search function and have just resigned myself to be that guy on the forum.

I am doing an oil change on the Venza I have with right at 90K mileage. This is the wife's daily driver and is getting routinely short tripped with maybe one longer drive a week. In Texas with the hottest time of year for us I was going to use 5w-30 instead of the 5w-20 listed in the manual. We have had it for about 45k miles and I am wanting to simplify my oil stash and get out of the 20 weights.

I already know the internet won't end and kittens won't die from using a different weight... what I'm looking for is some real world knowledge of the 4 cylinder Toyota 2.7 and if it will tolerate the slightly higher grade without issue. I have not found luck on this forum or on any search engine about folks running heavier weight.

Choice of oil this time is Mobil 1 HM 5w-30
 
I personally run a lighter weight in my wifes mini van ( calls for 5w30). This is because the van is also short tripped a lot. I run a thicker grade in my truck that calls for 5w30.

You wont have any issues running the thicker oil in your toyota but being a short tripper I would stay with a 0/5w20
 
There isn't much difference between an xw20 and xw30.
xw20 has HTHS=2.7
xw30 has HTHS=3.0
These numbers can vary, yet they are close. kv100 similarly close.
Here, TDog02's oil, M1 HM 5w30 is 3.1, still not a lot of difference.

In a cold climate, 0w20 is best to stick with.
Cold flow in TX isn't a big issue at all, so the 5w30 will work.
 
First off - how does one build a 2.7 cyl engine?

JK..
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All joking aside, my 2010 Fusion, with the 2.5 liter engine also calls for 5w20 and I run 5w30 in the summer heat here in Phoenix. The engine doesn't seem to have a problem with it. I realize that your engine is not the same one in my car, but considering their similar size, I would imagine that the overall impact would be somewhat similar. You should realistically be able to get away with it.
 
Thanks for the responses, I didn't think it would be an issue but since I have to fuel my oil porn addiction I thought I would ask. I laughed at the 2.7cyl thing and then looked at what I typed. Brain was working faster than the fingers and filled in the blanks!
 
Mobil 5w-30 would be an excellent choice. It's a very good oil, very commonly stocked everywhere and sometimes on sale.

I understand that Xw-20 oils do a good job but I would run an Xw-30. It's just a personal preference. I can not justify my preference with lab results or personal experience other than it appears to work for me in the desert including towing a horse trailer over some bumpy dirt roads for long distances in the hottest weather out here. In other words an Xw-20 might do as well but by the time I'd figure it out it would be too late if I was wrong.
 
Toyota's run on anything lol...5w30 will be fine
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if for nothing other than meeting ur need to stock 1 weight, no difference.
 
Originally Posted By: Tdog02
I tried search function and have just resigned myself to be that guy on the forum.

I am doing an oil change on the Venza I have with right at 90K mileage. This is the wife's daily driver and is getting routinely short tripped with maybe one longer drive a week. In Texas with the hottest time of year for us I was going to use 5w-30 instead of the 5w-20 listed in the manual. We have had it for about 45k miles and I am wanting to simplify my oil stash and get out of the 20 weights.

I already know the internet won't end and kittens won't die from using a different weight... what I'm looking for is some real world knowledge of the 4 cylinder Toyota 2.7 and if it will tolerate the slightly higher grade without issue. I have not found luck on this forum or on any search engine about folks running heavier weight.

Choice of oil this time is Mobil 1 HM 5w-30

Not the same engine but my wife's yaris 1.5 runs 5w30 year round in texas. Oil filter is clean at the end of a 5k mile run,
 
You can go with Pennzoil Platinum or Ultra 5w30 which are on the thinner side of 30 weight oils. Kind of like a thick 20 weight oil. That's what I'd do.
 
Originally Posted By: SatinSilver
You can go with Pennzoil Platinum or Ultra 5w30 which are on the thinner side of 30 weight oils. Kind of like a thick 20 weight oil. That's what I'd do.


What info are you basing this on? I have 12 jugs of PUP 5w20 and 3 of 5w30 and would love to know the HTHS of these.
 
Update: I changed the oil to the M1 HM 5w-30 and somewhere on the internet a kitten died.

Just kidding about the kitten. Since the change the engine has quietened down. It is very noticeable to me. There was a lot of valve train noise on start up before the 5w-30 (It has had a steady diet of 5w-20 Toyota oil since we bought it used a few years ago). With the extended 100 degree summer days in Texas it is working just fine. I can't say I've noticed a change in the MPG's as it mostly sees short trips and the econ monitor stays around 21-22mpg.

I plan on running this about 7K miles and then sending off a UOA to get an idea about where this engine is and how it is doing. I am really liking the Venza and it is a solid family car with room to actually haul stuff if needed.
 
F150 has M1 10w-30 in it right now. I plan on doing a UOA on it this change and see what the engine is doing. It should be past any break in period now. I really want to stock up on M1 HM 5w-30 and run it in both vehicles. I'm a little old school and really think 10w-30 is the best for us down south without the cold flow problems but still a little concerned about going over 5w for the Toyota.

The only reason I am leaning 5w-30 for both vehicles is the best compromise based on vehicle needs (5w-30 speced on the Ford). And I can use it for all my power equipment as well. I am hoping for 5k intervals on the truck and 7500k intervals on the Venza.
 
Originally Posted By: Tdog02
...and 7500k intervals on the Venza.

7500K miles. Nice. So where can I get an oil to last me 7.5 million miles on single oil change??? Hehe jk.

My 2.7L Toyota runs on Pennzoil Euro 0w40 now. Really nice and quiet. No ill effects or drop in MPG compared to Pennzoil 0w20 from previous OCI. This Tacoma is short tripped, so 18mpg in the summer, and 16mpg in winter is norm.
 
Originally Posted By: Tdog02
F150 has M1 10w-30 in it right now. I plan on doing a UOA on it this change and see what the engine is doing. It should be past any break in period now. I really want to stock up on M1 HM 5w-30 and run it in both vehicles. I'm a little old school and really think 10w-30 is the best for us down south without the cold flow problems but still a little concerned about going over 5w for the Toyota.

The only reason I am leaning 5w-30 for both vehicles is the best compromise based on vehicle needs (5w-30 speced on the Ford). And I can use it for all my power equipment as well. I am hoping for 5k intervals on the truck and 7500k intervals on the Venza.

Let me know how it goes. We have two F-150's with the 2.7, and the TSB has me a little concerned.
 
The TSB has me a bit concerned as well. I haven't had any smoke on start up and oil level stays steady. I'm running 5k oci's right now and watching. I have read that some see a rough idle with AC on as a first symptom, others say it starts burning oil out of the blue. Mileage anywhere from a few hundred up to 30,000.

No problems with mine at 18,2xx miles so far. Just in case I have a copy of the TSB printed and in my glove box.
 
I just got back from a 2800 mile road trip. Was running 81-82 and 85-86 mph most of the trip. Changed with M1 EP 5w-30 just before the trip. Used about a quart of oil.
 
I've heard that the problems with the ecoboost 2.7 are valve guide related. Like out of tolerance bad guides in the head. This allows the oil to go past the guide and be burned in the chamber. Depending on the DTC you either get heads or a long block. This is absolutely crazy for Ford to have allowed these engines to sold. They had to have known at some point during QC that they had a bad batch of heads.

Regarding the Venza, the 5w-30 is doing quite well, the engine is much quieter than it has been since we bought the vehicle. Mileage (combined) is 26 when I take it on my normal commute. Measured against the F150 which returns a 22 average. Since I'm the driver and the route is the same I say that my numbers should be good. So not much change in the MPG with the 5w-30. I didn't drive it much before but I remember it was 27 or so.

Now I just have to get my wife out of my truck before she runs over or into something!
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A few guys over at the F-150 forum that had the replacement done were told by the techs it is the guides, but no one has seen a bad one or had it officially confirmed.

Glad to see the Toyota is running well.
 
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