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#4475011 - 07/30/17 09:17 PM 14k OCI Microgard 51522, GM Vortec 4200 ~230K
dogememe Online   content


Registered: 04/15/17
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Loc: SF BAY AREA, CA
How NOT to maintain your vehicle. Cheap conventional bulk oil and Microgard filter, somewhere between 14k and 15k OCI.







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2007 Ford Crown Vic P71 4.6 ~124K Miles, SynPower 5W-30, Royal Purple Filter.
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#4475034 - 07/30/17 09:43 PM Re: 14k OCI Microgard 51522, GM Vortec 4200 ~230K [Re: dogememe]
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Now you have something to clean up.

Reduce your oil and filter change intervals to 3000 miles and watch things clean up.

You don't need expensive oil or filter for the cleanup.
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#4475038 - 07/30/17 09:46 PM Re: 14k OCI Microgard 51522, GM Vortec 4200 ~230K [Re: WellOiled]
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wix xp + havoline full synthetic

i'm gonna change it in 2500 mi then in the future i'm doing 5k ocis


Edited by dogememe (07/30/17 09:46 PM)
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2007 Ford Crown Vic P71 4.6 ~124K Miles, SynPower 5W-30, Royal Purple Filter.
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#4475049 - 07/30/17 09:57 PM Re: 14k OCI Microgard 51522, GM Vortec 4200 ~230K [Re: dogememe]
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Loc: Houston, Texas
Sounds like a plan to me. The synthetic will speed the process and the filter will have better capacity and durability. Expect the oil to darken up quickly.

Also as an aid to how things are progressing, I use a full open drain pan so I can decant the oil and see how much junk is coming out of the sump. I cut the filters and see what's there also.

Good luck.
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#4475141 - 07/31/17 12:01 AM Re: 14k OCI Microgard 51522, GM Vortec 4200 ~230K [Re: dogememe]
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Registered: 12/24/13
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Loc: Illinois, USA
Oh dear, I'm actually surprised that the MicroGard (made by Wix) tore at 15k.
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#4475154 - 07/31/17 12:42 AM Re: 14k OCI Microgard 51522, GM Vortec 4200 ~230K [Re: dogememe]
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GM's are tough.
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#4475204 - 07/31/17 05:35 AM Re: 14k OCI Microgard 51522, GM Vortec 4200 ~230K [Re: dogememe]
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Loc: The Old North State
Agree with the OP first sentence and the Grit in the can dome would confirm that. Engine likely looks similar. Neither oil nor filter intended for that oci/fci.

Wondering how long it took to complete the 14-15k? Moisture condensation cycles can/will take their toll on cellulose media especially so pushed to this length. This result an example of an oil/filter combination generally intended 5-6k miles, going well beyond that. I'm not shocked by the results.

Thanks for c&p.

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#4475230 - 07/31/17 06:42 AM Re: 14k OCI Microgard 51522, GM Vortec 4200 ~230K [Re: dogememe]
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Loc: US-WA
I'd use an XP after cleanup, if at all.
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#4475522 - 07/31/17 12:24 PM Re: 14k OCI Microgard 51522, GM Vortec 4200 ~230K [Re: dogememe]
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Loc: Indianapolis, IN
I would ask why the Wix XP? Their own data shows it's not a really efficient filter. It's good for long OCIs, but it's not anything to get excited about, at least in terms of their claimed beta data. Consider at Fram TG. High efficiency, decent capacity, and a reasonable value.

And as to the syn ... why? It's not going to clean up much of anything more than any decently dosed dino lube. Ca is Ca, Mg is Mg, overall. The detergents in quality dino lubes is every bit as capable as a syn, especially for a 5k mile OCI.
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#4475700 - 07/31/17 03:15 PM Re: 14k OCI Microgard 51522, GM Vortec 4200 ~230K [Re: dogememe]
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Registered: 10/03/15
Posts: 1356
Loc: Houston, Texas
Just to satisfy my own curiosity I put the table below together from the VOAs provided by Petroleum Quality Institute. These are all commonly stocked at my local Walmart. Hopefully, I did not make a typo.

Code:
	SuperTech	Pennzoil	Valvoline	Mobil
        		PYB		Premium         Super 5000
	Conventional    Conventional	Conventional	Conventional
	SAE 5W-30	SAE 5W-30	SAE 5W-30	SAE 5W-30
	
TBN	7.8		8.3		6.1		7.3
Ca	2289		2408		1571		1952
Mg	15		7		8		14
Na	<5		5		438		454

Source: Petroleum Quality Institute of America.


	SuperTech	Pennzoil	Valvoline	Mobil 1
                                        MAX Life
	High Mileage	High Mileage	High Mileage	High Mileage Synthetic
	SAE 5W-30	SAE 5W-30	SAE 5W-30	SAE 5W-30

TBN	6.94		9.72		8.51		9.14
Ca	1563		2475		2016		1116
Mg	9		10		8		766
Na	439		<5		441		<5

Source: Petroleum Quality Institute of America.

	SuperTech	Pennzoil Plat	Valvoline	Mobil 1
                        Platinum        SynPower
	Synthetic	Synthetic	Synthetic	Synthetic
	SAE 5W-30	SAE 5W-30	SAE 5W-30	SAE 5W-30

TBN	8.0		9.02		8.4		9.7
Ca	2367		2517		2125		1161
Mg	9		10		7		772
Na	<5		<5		461		<5

Source: Petroleum Quality Institute of America.

If I were to make a choice from the conventional list, it would be based on price and availability. The SuperTech Conventional is the price leader followed by Mobil MS5K. Since Ca and Na are synergistic, I would likely choose the MS5K. Pennzoil and Valvoline have been on the pricey side lately.

The Champion PH820 were maybe $1.50 each plus shipping. IIRC Champion Customer Service told me the filtration efficiency was 90% @ 20 micron. Not bad for an entry level filter. The Walmart Supertech filter would do just as well.

I put on 3000 miles in 2 months. When I started a cleanup on the Ranger, the dipstick was very readable at 500 miles. The dipstick is getting hard to read at 3000 miles. I'm still getting 1 or 2 agglomerations of dirt on the order of 0.050" in diameter from the sump. Filters look pristine. Maybe getting time to extend to 5K / 6K.
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#4475714 - 07/31/17 03:39 PM Re: 14k OCI Microgard 51522, GM Vortec 4200 ~230K [Re: dogememe]
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Registered: 09/30/13
Posts: 10030
Loc: Indiana
I'm impressed.

That's 3x more than I would have ran it.
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#4475757 - 07/31/17 04:30 PM Re: 14k OCI Microgard 51522, GM Vortec 4200 ~230K [Re: dogememe]
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Registered: 12/31/16
Posts: 6148
Loc: Waco, TX
Thankfully, the big crud stayed in the bottom of the can, and probably more than 90% of the oil was still going through the rest of the pleats.

SURPRISED to see the "method of failure", though!!
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#4476004 - 07/31/17 08:51 PM Re: 14k OCI Microgard 51522, GM Vortec 4200 ~230K [Re: dogememe]
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Registered: 07/03/17
Posts: 122
Loc: New England
A value filter run way past its rated life has failed? Shocking I say!


Edited by Peter_480 (07/31/17 08:52 PM)
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#4476369 - 08/01/17 10:08 AM Re: 14k OCI Microgard 51522, GM Vortec 4200 ~230K [Re: Triton_330]
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Registered: 08/27/04
Posts: 4421
Loc: Katy, Republic of Texas
Originally Posted By: Triton_330
Oh dear, I'm actually surprised that the MicroGard (made by Wix) tore at 15k.

I'm not that surprised. It is 2-3 time it's designed interval.

It's still not good to see is torn that badly, as well as not knowing when it failed.
This is why I am sticking with ~5000 mile intervals with the Microgard/Supertech/Pro-Select filters.
For sure not a filter for 2 changes.
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#4476386 - 08/01/17 10:28 AM Re: 14k OCI Microgard 51522, GM Vortec 4200 ~230K [Re: dogememe]
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Registered: 09/23/14
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Loc: Toronto Canada
Aren't filters warrantied to last the interval as set in the owner's manual? Many vehicles on the road today call for a 15,000 mile filter change interval. This filter should not have failed but business is all about the bottom line.

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