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#4471822 - 07/27/17 10:20 AM Nissan Leaf Thoughts?
EdwardC Offline


Registered: 11/14/13
Posts: 1862
Loc: Chicago, IL
So, we got a flyer from our electricity company, ComEd. It advertises a $10,000 rebate (off msrp) for a Nissan Leaf. That, plus a $7,500 tax incentive, makes for a pretty inexpensive new, all electric car. (Leaves start at $30k with the highest trim at $36K)

We don't strictly need a new car right now, but we plan to in the near future. My wife's car (09 Civic) was totaled in a garage fire last May and we've been living with one car (Element) and motorcycles (I typically commute on my bike 9 months out of the year and then take public transportation during the winter). Living in the city, I would say that 90% of our drives are less than 25 miles round trip. My wife's commute is about 5 miles round trip.

She gets about 15-18 mpg in the Element with all city driving. Our goal isn't to saving money since the ROI is pretty far off. Just that we'll need a 2nd car at some point since my 2007 Element isn't getting any newer (although my UOAs are very clean!).

Not sure what I'm soliciting for out of this post. Any Leaf owners? Opinions? (Maybe not many since the Leaf doesn't need oil changes)

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#4471824 - 07/27/17 10:25 AM Re: Nissan Leaf Thoughts? [Re: EdwardC]
Alfred_B Offline


Registered: 05/12/15
Posts: 1965
Loc: America
I thought the tax incentive was sunsetted this year.

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#4471828 - 07/27/17 10:27 AM Re: Nissan Leaf Thoughts? [Re: EdwardC]
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Registered: 11/14/08
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Loc: Phoenix
I believe they had problems with battery life shortening quickly. Carmax has a ton they are trying to giveaway for under $10k, so doesn't sound like you found much of a deal.
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#4471832 - 07/27/17 10:31 AM Re: Nissan Leaf Thoughts? [Re: EdwardC]
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Registered: 06/03/05
Posts: 502
Loc: Oahu
Chevy Volt. Sure it has 50-60 miles of ev range to 80-100 but, when the battery drains down on the Volt the gas engine takes over, on a Leaf you need to call a tow truck. The Volts battery pack is actually far more durable. It's climate controled, leafs and even tesla just uses air to cool their battery's.


Edited by jkhawaii (07/27/17 10:32 AM)

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#4471836 - 07/27/17 10:32 AM Re: Nissan Leaf Thoughts? [Re: EdwardC]
bioburner Offline


Registered: 09/19/16
Posts: 1418
Loc: Minnesota
I can't get Nissan.com to get me to a local dealer to check one out. Think I would stick to a used Prius and be able to go farther if one wants and battery packs can be had reasonable rebuilt.


Edited by bioburner (07/27/17 10:33 AM)
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#4471842 - 07/27/17 10:36 AM Re: Nissan Leaf Thoughts? [Re: EdwardC]
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Posts: 1331
Loc: CA
Leaf has a 19% IntelliChoice 5 year retained value - the lowest of any car.

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#4471848 - 07/27/17 10:46 AM Re: Nissan Leaf Thoughts? [Re: dishdude]
EdwardC Offline


Registered: 11/14/13
Posts: 1862
Loc: Chicago, IL
Originally Posted By: Alfred_B
I thought the tax incentive was sunsetted this year.

I might be wrong, but my quick searches showed that it was carmaker dependent, that the incentive decreases as the manufacturer sells X number of electric vehicles. I think there is still enough time for a Nissan.

Originally Posted By: dishdude
I believe they had problems with battery life shortening quickly. Carmax has a ton they are trying to giveaway for under $10k, so doesn't sound like you found much of a deal.

Thanks, that's not something I'd looked into. I know battery life can be a pretty big issue and large cost towards the later years of the vehicle. From what I read, Nissan extended the warranties on the older vehicles. I think the current one comes with an 8 year, 100,000mi warranty on the battery.

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#4471849 - 07/27/17 10:46 AM Re: Nissan Leaf Thoughts? [Re: user52165]
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Registered: 01/27/17
Posts: 1139
Loc: USA
Originally Posted By: user52165
Leaf has a 19% IntelliChoice 5 year retained value - the lowest of any car.


Fascinating.

I guess some vehicle had to hold that position but I didn't know it was the Leaf.

From a purely marketing standpoint, I think the name "Leaf" was brilliant for an EV.
It gives me the same "feel good" as hugging a tree.
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#4471850 - 07/27/17 10:48 AM Re: Nissan Leaf Thoughts? [Re: bioburner]
EdwardC Offline


Registered: 11/14/13
Posts: 1862
Loc: Chicago, IL
Originally Posted By: bioburner
I can't get Nissan.com to get me to a local dealer to check one out. Think I would stick to a used Prius and be able to go farther if one wants and battery packs can be had reasonable rebuilt.


Hah, I can't get their website to load for me right now either. Maybe Nissan isn't the way to go...

Ignoring the rebate and tax incentive, I think a plug-in hybrid would be ideal for us. My wife can go to work and back all on EV, but the car can still be used long distances.

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#4471855 - 07/27/17 10:55 AM Re: Nissan Leaf Thoughts? [Re: EdwardC]
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Registered: 04/20/13
Posts: 115
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That's why GM was smart with the Volt. They way over engineered the battery systems so the battery always keeps itself at an optimal temperature and it never uses the first and last 20% of the battery. Some people have 200,000 miles without any noticeable battery life degradation.

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#4471862 - 07/27/17 11:07 AM Re: Nissan Leaf Thoughts? [Re: EdwardC]
FutureDoc Offline


Registered: 10/30/13
Posts: 1703
Loc: North Carolina
Would not buy new...but buy used and they are FANTASTIC! (if traveling in their range). Picked ours up used (2012) for just under $12K with almost no miles. One of the nicest "small cars" we have ever had.

We have one in our fleet (for a motor pool). No one ever really reserves it so it has become our default office vehicle. We drive it around town all day with a lot of frequent short trips (from 7am to 5pm )as a support and other things vehicle(about 50-60 miles per day) and still remain about 1/2 battery life. We plug it in to a 110V outlet each night (5pm-7am) hand have full range the next day (common electrical outlet). We put 18K miles and other than needing new tires, it is problem free.


So, for a 5 year old leaf (in our care for 2 years), I have about 81 miles each morning. We get better range than claimed.


BUY BUY BUY if you are doing less than 70 miles a day.
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#4471876 - 07/27/17 11:20 AM Re: Nissan Leaf Thoughts? [Re: FutureDoc]
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Registered: 08/12/11
Posts: 3176
Loc: Chicago,IL,USA
Originally Posted By: FutureDoc
Would not buy new...but buy used and they are FANTASTIC! (if traveling in their range). Picked ours up used (2012) for just under $12K with almost no miles. One of the nicest "small cars" we have ever had.

We have one in our fleet (for a motor pool). No one ever really reserves it so it has become our default office vehicle. We drive it around town all day with a lot of frequent short trips (from 7am to 5pm )as a support and other things vehicle(about 50-60 miles per day) and still remain about 1/2 battery life. We plug it in to a 110V outlet each night (5pm-7am) hand have full range the next day (common electrical outlet). We put 18K miles and other than needing new tires, it is problem free.


So, for a 5 year old leaf (in our care for 2 years), I have about 81 miles each morning. We get better range than claimed.


BUY BUY BUY if you are doing less than 70 miles a day.

How was it in the winter time?
(a friend is on his second leased Leaf)
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#4471881 - 07/27/17 11:23 AM Re: Nissan Leaf Thoughts? [Re: EdwardC]
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Registered: 10/27/15
Posts: 218
Loc: KS
We had a 2014 lease that we just turned back in last month. It was a great car with a surprising amount of power, 100% of torque from 0mph is like a drug! The car was 100% trouble free the time we had it and had lots of room despite its size. We have small kids and 2 carseats fit in the back with plenty of room left for everyone. You will lose some range in the summer heat and when it gets really cold in the winter. As far as the car itself goes I would recommend one to anyone. You get over the range anxiety pretty quick too.

The $7500 federal tax credit only applies if you have $7500 or more in federal taxes for the year. If your tax liability is for example $4000 then you only get to claim $4000 of the credit. You can't claim more of a credit than you owe in federal taxes for the year.
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#4471888 - 07/27/17 11:29 AM Re: Nissan Leaf Thoughts? [Re: EdwardC]
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Registered: 05/26/14
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Loc: Columbus,Nebraska
No thoughts at all.

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#4471907 - 07/27/17 11:51 AM Re: Nissan Leaf Thoughts? [Re: EdwardC]
bioburner Offline


Registered: 09/19/16
Posts: 1418
Loc: Minnesota
There was someone doing a plugin hack for the Toyota adding a couple extra batteries too
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