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Anyone seen one of these #4471480
07/26/17 11:06 PM
07/26/17 11:06 PM
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Marco620 Offline OP
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Re: Anyone seen one of these [Re: Marco620] #4471488
07/26/17 11:13 PM
07/26/17 11:13 PM
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Waco, TX
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You must be from Minnesota.

As far as I know, they are the only ones doing E15.


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Re: Anyone seen one of these [Re: Marco620] #4471504
07/26/17 11:36 PM
07/26/17 11:36 PM
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Where the wind comes sweepin'
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Where the wind comes sweepin'
Corn lobby strikes again! Those poor corn farmers with their million dollar farming equipment..

Re: Anyone seen one of these [Re: Marco620] #4471542
07/27/17 12:58 AM
07/27/17 12:58 AM
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Ohio
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Ohio
Absolutely degenerate.


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Re: Anyone seen one of these [Re: Marco620] #4471553
07/27/17 02:03 AM
07/27/17 02:03 AM
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Saskatchewan, Canada
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Funny, they don't mention that your fuel consumption will increase compared to E10 or all-fuel, as ethanol has lower energy per oz than gasoline. Remember, you buy "gas" by the ounce.

Nor do they mention the energy cost of growing corn to be used as an Ethanol source in America (here in Canada, we make Ethanol out of waste material such as the stalks from Canola after you harvest the seed, and zero subsidies, yet the oil companies ... who own the distilleries that convert waste material to alcohol ... turn a profit from those operations. Think about that for a minute).

This morning gas in my city at Top Tier stations was $C 0.84.5/l = $US 0.62.8/l x 3.7 litres per USG = $US 2.32/gal
Costco is $C 0.08 cheaper per litre $C 0.76.5/l = $US 0.56.85 x 3.7 litres per USG = $2.10/gal


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Re: Anyone seen one of these [Re: Marco620] #4471575
07/27/17 05:18 AM
07/27/17 05:18 AM
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NE Ohio
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NE Ohio
We have E15 in Ohio


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Re: Anyone seen one of these [Re: Marco620] #4471623
07/27/17 07:15 AM
07/27/17 07:15 AM
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Minnesota
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More distilleries are converting to a new bug that does not need the high sugar from corn. The bugs for the new process came from those making Sake and are moving to field stover. Most of the plants were going in the hole before they were able to sell the millers grains and now make more money from the grains than the booze.



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Re: Anyone seen one of these [Re: Marco620] #4471636
07/27/17 07:32 AM
07/27/17 07:32 AM
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Midwest, Illinois
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I run E15 in the company ride when I get through the one town that sells it.
E15 has a different effect on me. No running after a fillup.


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Re: Anyone seen one of these [Re: Marco620] #4471739
07/27/17 08:55 AM
07/27/17 08:55 AM
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N.H, U.S.A.
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IIRC, My Nissan manual states that if I run anything greater than E10 say bye-bye to the engine and YOU - not NISSAN - are on the hook for the meltdown. IN fact ive read this is a few manuals.

I'm sure from time to time the ethanol % was much greather than 10 %. Just don't floor it and keep the rpm s low and the ecu should be able to compensate. Floor it and the engine will like be toasted and the injectors cant supply enough fuel - also the ecu was not programmed for the required A/F ratio below 9:1 when OPEN LOOP at WOT.


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Re: Anyone seen one of these [Re: Marco620] #4471767
07/27/17 09:19 AM
07/27/17 09:19 AM
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PA
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I would be surprised if any manufacturer recommends running E15 in their vehicle.

If it is so popular and in demand, why are corn prices at a 5 year low. Farmers aren't the ones benefiting from this.

And my personal favorite: if it costs $1.50 in energy to produce a $1.00 of ethanol, wouldn't we be better off going back to pure gas?

Re: Anyone seen one of these [Re: ARCOgraphite] #4471787
07/27/17 09:38 AM
07/27/17 09:38 AM
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Boston, MA
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Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
IIRC, My Nissan manual states that if I run anything greater than E10 say bye-bye to the engine and YOU - not NISSAN - are on the hook for the meltdown. IN fact ive read this is a few manuals.

I'm sure from time to time the ethanol % was much greather than 10 %. Just don't floor it and keep the rpm s low and the ecu should be able to compensate. Floor it and the engine will like be toasted and the injectors cant supply enough fuel - also the ecu was not programmed for the required A/F ratio below 9:1 when OPEN LOOP at WOT.
My 08 Camry manual says the same thing. But, pointy headed bureaucrats with degrees in "management" must know better.

Re: Anyone seen one of these [Re: PhillyJoe] #4471788
07/27/17 09:39 AM
07/27/17 09:39 AM
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Boston, MA
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Originally Posted By: PhillyJoe
I would be surprised if any manufacturer recommends running E15 in their vehicle.

If it is so popular and in demand, why are corn prices at a 5 year low. Farmers aren't the ones benefiting from this.

And my personal favorite: if it costs $1.50 in energy to produce a $1.00 of ethanol, wouldn't we be better off going back to pure gas?
That's why the bureaucrats want to take away the choice.

Re: Anyone seen one of these [Re: Marco620] #4474325
07/30/17 03:39 AM
07/30/17 03:39 AM
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Saskatchewan, Canada
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If there is Government money to promote alternate energy, and someone wants to build an Ethanol plant in your local Congressman's district, what do you think will happen next? Mandated Ethanol content, maybe?

It doesn't have to make sense in a "Big Picture" way if someone can get free cash to build a plant and local politicians can push the employment / industry button. It's like a freight train, nothing you can do about it.


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'90 Miata 1.8L w/Rotrex Supercharger [Mobil1 0W-40]
'96 Ram 1500 [3.7L Mobil1 0W-20 / 1L 15W-50]
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Re: Anyone seen one of these [Re: Marco620] #4481439
08/07/17 03:25 AM
08/07/17 03:25 AM
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BC, Canada
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The Brad Wall effect. People is Sask. are "critical thinking" for the 1st time in decades, maybe because more young people are staying instead of leaving. For the longest time, all Manitoba and Saskatchewan exported was cereal crops and generations of young people.

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Re: Anyone seen one of these [Re: Johnny2Bad] #4681179
03/01/18 02:49 AM
03/01/18 02:49 AM
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KS
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you buy it by the OZ. but the engine burns it by the POUND.

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