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Have you guys seen this? #4471163
07/26/17 04:23 PM
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Urshurak776 Offline OP
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https://blog.modbargains.com/15000-mile-oil-change-myth/

He says we are ruining engines going longer than 10K. Maybe he's right?


2012 Hyundai Santa Fe, 130,000 miles, Havoline Pro DS Full Syn 5W-20, Auto7 Filter.
2014 Kia Rio, 80,000 miles, Havoline Pro DS Syn 5W-30, WIX Filter
Re: Have you guys seen this? [Re: Urshurak776] #4471169
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Uh, oh... he should tell XOM about it... I'm sure they'll pull back their 20K Annual Protection oil off the shelves ASAP. smile

Quote:
Data hasnít yet shown that synthetic oils and engine design alone are enough for motor oil to actually last beyond 10,000 mile service intervals.

But is there data that has shown the opposite to be true? He only nitpicked a couple of extreme examples that I'm not sure can be used to make blanket statements.

Although in general, I agree 15K OCI isn't good for every application out there.


'02 530i (Edge 0W-40)
'15 Q5 3.0T (Edge 5W-40)
'18 Charger SRT (FF)
Re: Have you guys seen this? [Re: Urshurak776] #4471173
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It comes down to what you want to do. I agree with the idea that some of the 15K and longer intervals are actually driven by the manufacturers have as much to do with keeping down the cost of maintenance for the new car buyer and themselves if the service is included in the purchase.

Re: Have you guys seen this? [Re: Urshurak776] #4471182
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What are Nicholas Gregson's credentials?

Re: Have you guys seen this? [Re: Alfred_B] #4471191
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Originally Posted By: Alfred_B
What are Nicholas Gregson's credentials?

His LinkedIn profile says "Marketing Manager Content Marketing Specialist, Photographer, Blogger"
with an Associate of Arts degree.


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Re: Have you guys seen this? [Re: Urshurak776] #4471214
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My son's 110,000 mile 3er is surviving nicely on BMW 5W-30 and BMW 0W-30 changed at @15,000 mile intervals, but of course it's a NA motor. My 2er is turbocharged and has a 10,000 mile OCI. UOAs of my modded MS3 indicated that M1 5W-30 was good for a 10,000 mile OCI so I'm not too worried.


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2014 M235i
1999 Wrangler Sahara
1995 318ti Club Sport

Wife's:
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2009 328i

Buy what makes you smile...
Re: Have you guys seen this? [Re: Urshurak776] #4471243
07/26/17 05:48 PM
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The thing about the 15k and 20k oils is the average customer might take that the wrong way. Say your a normal guy that doesn't know much but owns 3-4 cars. He might by that oil thinking he can go 2-3 years without an oil change as long as the miles are under 15-20k. The average guy isn't gonna know anything other than what the miles says and forget about it.


03 Infiniti G35 209K, Castrol Edge 5W30 topped with Edge HM, Fram Ultra Filter, Berryman/MMO fuel maintenance in 93 E0, all synthetic fluids
Re: Have you guys seen this? [Re: Urshurak776] #4471251
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You mean I can't run 60K mile OCIs? grin

His points may have some validity; however, he is discussing 15K mile OCIs and posting two shocking photos of a vehicle with 60K mile gunk.
It may not be intentional on the authors part but it is misleading.

Besides, articles with photos of such graphic abuse should really come with a warning that viewer discretion is advised when displayed on a site like BITOG where guys spend more time worrying about the correct motor oil than new mothers do worrying about the formula they are giving their own infants. grin


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Re: Have you guys seen this? [Re: Urshurak776] #4471260
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Originally Posted By: Urshurak776

He says we are ruining engines going longer than 10K. Maybe he's right?


Back in 1985 when all we had was 5-6 oil brands and all were API rated SD/SE or CC/CD, I'd say he's probably right.

Not any more.


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: Have you guys seen this? [Re: ArcticDriver] #4471269
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Originally Posted By: ArcticDriver
You mean I can't run 60K mile OCIs? grin Besides, articles with photos of such graphic abuse should really come with a warning that viewer discretion is advised when displayed on a site like BITOG where guys spend more time worrying about the correct motor oil than new mothers do worrying about the formula they are giving their own infants. grin


Thanks for the laugh...That's the best description I've heard in awhile of the typical BITOGER. BTW, I'm going on ~35K+ right now without an oil change, but I'm running multiple bypass filters, (and other devices), topping off, changing filters, and my results are supported by (Polaris and Blackstone) UOA.

But yes, Blackstone tells me that the average OCI for my engine (according to their data) is about 4700 miles...



2003 Lesabre
2004 Lesabre
2004 Impala
If ur NOT doing UOA then you're throwing away good oil or your engine is already damaged. Choose.
Re: Have you guys seen this? [Re: Linctex] #4471287
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Originally Posted By: Linctex
Originally Posted By: Urshurak776

He says we are ruining engines going longer than 10K. Maybe he's right?


Back in 1985 when all we had was 5-6 oil brands and all were API rated SD/SE or CC/CD, I'd say he's probably right.

Not any more.


His points mirror mine. Quite simply, the thin oil, coupled with long oil change intervals resulted in a large number of balancer and timing chain issues for GM. The reason: High levels of particulates accelerate chain wear.

BMW found much the same. In fact, BMW went to very high viscosity oils in some engines to help eliminate the high wear rates in those engines with extended drain intervals. While the high viscosity helped, it did not solve the problem.

Oil changes are downright inexpensive. The total cost of the additional, more frequent oil change interval is a viable form of long term insurance. I'm still driving my 2003 Jag, with 170K miles, on a 2.5L V6 that is known for spinning rod bearings at 100-120K. I don't expect any issues, as I change frequently, with M1, 5W-40 TDT. An oil far more robust and more viscous oil than the OEM requirements. And I hit redline multiple times daily.


People who count on their fingers should maintain a discreet silence.
Re: Have you guys seen this? [Re: Cujet] #4471303
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Originally Posted By: Cujet
Originally Posted By: Linctex
Originally Posted By: Urshurak776

He says we are ruining engines going longer than 10K. Maybe he's right?


Back in 1985 when all we had was 5-6 oil brands and all were API rated SD/SE or CC/CD, I'd say he's probably right.

Not any more.


His points mirror mine. Quite simply, the thin oil, coupled with long oil change intervals resulted in a large number of balancer and timing chain issues for GM. The reason: High levels of particulates accelerate chain wear.

BMW found much the same. In fact, BMW went to very high viscosity oils in some engines to help eliminate the high wear rates in those engines with extended drain intervals. While the high viscosity helped, it did not solve the problem.

Oil changes are downright inexpensive. The total cost of the additional, more frequent oil change interval is a viable form of long term insurance. I'm still driving my 2003 Jag, with 170K miles, on a 2.5L V6 that is known for spinning rod bearings at 100-120K. I don't expect any issues, as I change frequently, with M1, 5W-40 TDT. An oil far more robust and more viscous oil than the OEM requirements. And I hit redline multiple times daily.


I feel better about running high visc oil now. Thanks for the gm scenario.


1988 Mazda RX7 na PP 10w30 Noack 4.7
1994 Chrysler Concorde 3.3
1999 Ford Expedition 4.6 QSUD 10W30 NOACK 5.0
Re: Have you guys seen this? [Re: OilSwag] #4471308
07/26/17 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted By: OilSwag
The thing about the 15k and 20k oils is the average customer might take that the wrong way. Say your a normal guy that doesn't know much but owns 3-4 cars. He might by that oil thinking he can go 2-3 years without an oil change as long as the miles are under 15-20k. The average guy isn't gonna know anything other than what the miles says and forget about it.


I'd be more concerned with the average guy with an average engine that starts to burn a quart or two every few thousand miles, then lets it go 15-20k without ever checking the level only to find the engine blown with an empty sump!

That's one good thing about frequent changes, people are more likely to remember to get an oil change every 3-5k than check their oil every few months (like us bitogers do!).

Re: Have you guys seen this? [Re: Urshurak776] #4471332
07/26/17 07:41 PM
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I agree with him 100%.
I seriously don't understand the logic in running long oil changes or the same filter twice. I never let my oil go longer than 6 months or 5,000 miles. Oil is too cheap and especially when you link up to awesome deals on clearance oil and filters. Just not good sense.



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Re: Have you guys seen this? [Re: Urshurak776] #4471344
07/26/17 08:02 PM
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I know a family member who drives to the bmw dealer 30 min one way and sits there for an hour to have 1 quart added. Probably more than once before oil change. They cud have just drained the oil imo.

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1994 Chrysler Concorde 3.3
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