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Ford Police Responder #4468884
07/24/17 11:08 AM
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I don't think I've seen this posted here, but Ford is releasing a pursuit rated pickup: Ward's



Quote:
The F-150 Police Responder is capable of speeds up to 100 mph. It features a powerful 3.5L EcoBoost V-6 mated to a Ford SelectShift 10-speed automatic transmission, with an all-wheel drive for all-terrain performance.


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Re: Ford Police Responder [Re: supton] #4468894
07/24/17 11:17 AM
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I will be looking for that come time when they start retiring them.


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Re: Ford Police Responder [Re: supton] #4468901
07/24/17 11:31 AM
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I wonder what how the transfer case will hold up. AWD so I'm guessing it can move torque around, as needed. I know it's a crew cab, but still: heavy up front. So I'm thinking it may wind up moving torque around--a lot--under police usage. Meaning, I wonder how long the TC will hold up.

Might just be FUD on my part though, I'll admit that.


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Re: Ford Police Responder [Re: supton] #4468927
07/24/17 12:06 PM
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I like the looks of it. I also wonder how it will hold up.


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Re: Ford Police Responder [Re: supton] #4468972
07/24/17 12:57 PM
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It's not a Crown Vic......

Re: Ford Police Responder [Re: supton] #4468973
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LEA have been using F150s for years, just not for pursuit. Not sure how the F150 will be for pursuit-ing purposes and will likely replace the SSV for more agencies. Agencies like mine (non-pursuit oriented) will order them but HWP and other will keep to the PI or CP models. Also, don't expect a lot of agencies to spring for them as I don't see cages bring very practical in the rear and I can see the rifle boxes being a bit of a pain with that truckbed. I see Sheriff Dep. who are "insecure" about driving a Taurus SSV to clamor for these vehicles. Then again, I can see my department ordering two because it can double as our Emergency Management, traffic cone distribution vehicle.

Likely the "upgrade" is tires (V+ rated) and brake related, maybe a suspension tweak. I guess this is how they are fixing the Ford Explorer exhaust issues.

Last edited by FutureDoc; 07/24/17 12:58 PM.

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Re: Ford Police Responder [Re: demarpaint] #4468974
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What does pursuit rated mean? A pickup is not the best for this because it's so light in back.

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Re: Ford Police Responder [Re: supton] #4468977
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Seems like a great vehicle for rural types of departments.


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Re: Ford Police Responder [Re: turtlevette] #4468990
07/24/17 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted By: turtlevette
What does pursuit rated mean? A pickup is not the best for this because it's so light in back.


I heard on the news it was "pursuit rated" to 100mph. I agree-I wouldn't want to drive my Silverado at that speed for too terribly long.

Re: Ford Police Responder [Re: turtlevette] #4468995
07/24/17 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted By: turtlevette
What does pursuit rated mean? A pickup is not the best for this because it's so light in back.


It is normally a sustained speed/handling specification. Often, you get larger and vented discs on the rear, a tweaked suspension (mostly a bigger or added roll bar), a tweaked transmission tune and throttle response, maybe a tranny cooler depending on the model, and specific V+ rated summer tires like the Goodyear Eagles UHP summer tires we have on contract. For ford products, it means you get the AWD over FWD but Chevy used to have FWD "pursuit" vehicles too. Go figure.

For example, the Charger Pursuit and the Charger R/T are extremely similar and the differences are normally a "creature comfort" delete and upgraded alternators ect.

Now, for non-pursuit vehicles like our Ford SSV (Special Service Vehicle), we still get some of those goodies but it is paired with the 3.7 or the 2.3T engine and then with standard all-weather tires. I still got the bigger brakes I think. It depends on how it was packaged. LE do still use these vehicles in "pursuit" at times.


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Re: Ford Police Responder [Re: supton] #4468998
07/24/17 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted By: supton
I wonder what how the transfer case will hold up. AWD so I'm guessing it can move torque around, as needed. I know it's a crew cab, but still: heavy up front. So I'm thinking it may wind up moving torque around--a lot--under police usage. Meaning, I wonder how long the TC will hold up.

Might just be FUD on my part though, I'll admit that.


Ford (and GM) does sell pickups with auto 4wd (AKA AWD) for years now and you don't hear of many transfer case failures.

As others have said I don't know I'd want to drive > 80 in a pickup for a long period of time. But it could be helpful for rural departments, the park service, conservation officers, border control, animal control, etc.

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Re: Ford Police Responder [Re: supton] #4469002
07/24/17 01:35 PM
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Border Patrol will take million please.


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Re: Ford Police Responder [Re: itguy08] #4469006
07/24/17 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted By: itguy08
As others have said I don't know I'd want to drive > 80 in a pickup for a long period of time. But it could be helpful for rural departments, the park service, conservation officers, border control, animal control, etc.


I can see some use of those vehicles for the DOI/NPS/DHS etc, but they have already been using various trucks and they don't really need the "pursuit" layout for their offroad needs. The Explorer and Tahoes will be better for their "pursuits". The biggest issue with the PI Utility (Explorer) in its pursuit garb is the lack of "off-road" ability. The approach angle is terrible, the ground clearance is bad, tires for the "pursuit" make is usable in anything worse that well sorted gravel. I have towed these things out of well kept "gardens" because the officer tried to "cut off" someone on foot by taking it across a lawn and gotten stuck. Those "off-road" uses will keep to regular variants if they are smart. Otherwise they will have a fleet of LE vehicles with torn-up front cladding like mine.

I see it more for those rural departments that "want a truck" and don't want the Sedan to serve papers (self-conscious). It would be a "compromise" that you are not tying up your real HWP-like vehicles for serving but you can have something that does a little "pursuit" when needed.

That being said, my "urban" department would love a truck so it can set out cones, etc. They hate using our little Ford Transit Connect for that. So, I would expect that I am directed to purchase one of these trucks fairly soon.


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Re: Ford Police Responder [Re: DoubleWasp] #4469008
07/24/17 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
Border Patrol will take million please.


They already have it. And yes, you can get it with all the skid plating and off-road kit you want. Edit: And I will take the 6-speed on the SSV over the 10 Speed on the Responder.

http://www.fleet.ford.com/showroom/speciality-vehicle/f-150xl/

This pursuit F150 is an "on-road" truck for the most part. Sure, it has some cladding but look at the approach angle:


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Re: Ford Police Responder [Re: supton] #4469019
07/24/17 02:13 PM
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If they'd sell it to the public I'm afraid I'd have to quit eating and get one!


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