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The Subie wagon we can't have in the US #4468484
07/23/17 09:31 PM
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Re: The Subie wagon we can't have in the US [Re: OneEyeJack] #4468486
07/23/17 09:34 PM
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Re: The Subie wagon we can't have in the US [Re: OneEyeJack] #4468500
07/23/17 09:53 PM
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Nice ride. Which trim level are you going to choose? Is this a German Opal with an Ecotec 2.0 engine? If so it looks like an exciting package especially if the AWD really works in the snow.

Re: The Subie wagon we can't have in the US [Re: dishdude] #4468513
07/23/17 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted By: dishdude




too bad we aren't getting that in Canada cry


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Re: The Subie wagon we can't have in the US [Re: OneEyeJack] #4468538
07/23/17 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
Nice ride. Which trim level are you going to choose? Is this a German Opal with an Ecotec 2.0 engine? If so it looks like an exciting package especially if the AWD really works in the snow.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buick_Regal#Regal_TourX

"Similar to the previous generation, it will be related to the Opel and Vauxhall Insignia sold in Europe, and like the previous generation the vehicles will be produced in Germany."

"...but will only come in all-wheel drive, along with a LTG turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder cranking out an estimated 250 hp (186 kW) and 295 lb·ft (400 N·m) mated with an eight-speed automatic transmission"


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Re: The Subie wagon we can't have in the US [Re: OneEyeJack] #4468569
07/24/17 01:50 AM
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Other countries get a lot of goodies that the US will not allow. For example; Mazda developed an adaptive led headlight system that sounds really good for drivers but vehicles headed for the states get the old school high beam-low beam setup.

https://www.mazda.co.uk/aboutmazda/news/technology/mazda-presenting-new-adaptive-headlamp-system/


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Re: The Subie wagon we can't have in the US [Re: OneEyeJack] #4468579
07/24/17 03:56 AM
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The 2005 Subaru Legacy GT wagon manual my wife has with 250hp WRX motor was a sales flop. It sold so slowly Subaru gave up on Legacy wagon and al wagons were massively popular Outback.

Re: The Subie wagon we can't have in the US [Re: OneEyeJack] #4468580
07/24/17 03:57 AM
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Wagons have never sold well in the U.S. & Canada since Minivans got popular in the 80's.
The auto makers say the profits are too small to offer some of the vehicles in North America that are sold in Europe.
The average Acura dealer only sold one TSX Wagon on average every 6 weeks and 5 days when it was made.


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Re: The Subie wagon we can't have in the US [Re: OneEyeJack] #4468629
07/24/17 05:36 AM
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Didn't know Levorg came with a 1.6 in other markets...we get ours with the 2.0 WRX engine smile


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Re: The Subie wagon we can't have in the US [Re: OneEyeJack] #4468656
07/24/17 06:22 AM
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I'd sure take a look at that Regal wagon if I happened to be shopping for a vehicle right now, but it's not comparable to the Levorg.
The latter is based on the Impreza and is more or less a turbo Crosstrek or a WRX wagon. Regal will probably be 400 lbs or more heavier.

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Re: The Subie wagon we can't have in the US [Re: hpb] #4468670
07/24/17 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted By: hpb
Didn't know Levorg came with a 1.6 in other markets...we get ours with the 2.0 WRX engine smile


Looks like the Japanese market 2.0l Levorg is actually tuned up to nearly 300 HP and lb-ft whereas the WRX is about 270 for both...which still beats my FXT with basically the same engine at only 250 HP. :^(
Do you get the 300 HP version in NZ?
Think the big difference between the US WRX and FXT engines is that they play a few hardware tricks in the former to extend the peak torque out to higher RPM, hence the higher WRX HP with the same reported max torque as the FXT...obviously, the Levorg engine has even more tricks in it with the higher HP and torque.

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Re: The Subie wagon we can't have in the US [Re: Virtus_Probi] #4468697
07/24/17 07:20 AM
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Thanks for the "car news" but that video was beyond lame....absolutely no info.

Re: The Subie wagon we can't have in the US [Re: OneEyeJack] #4468708
07/24/17 07:36 AM
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I would buy the Subaru any day over anything made by GM's red headed stepchild division. This is their version of the Venza, in typical bitog fashion when Toyota made it people said it was ugly but now GM stuck lipstick on a pig (anything Opel) and calls it a Buick its great. LOL



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Re: The Subie wagon we can't have in the US [Re: Virtus_Probi] #4468720
07/24/17 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi
Originally Posted By: hpb
Didn't know Levorg came with a 1.6 in other markets...we get ours with the 2.0 WRX engine smile


Looks like the Japanese market 2.0l Levorg is actually tuned up to nearly 300 HP and lb-ft whereas the WRX is about 270 for both...which still beats my FXT with basically the same engine at only 250 HP. :^(
Do you get the 300 HP version in NZ?
Think the big difference between the US WRX and FXT engines is that they play a few hardware tricks in the former to extend the peak torque out to higher RPM, hence the higher WRX HP with the same reported max torque as the FXT...obviously, the Levorg engine has even more tricks in it with the higher HP and torque.


Oops, just noticed the poster I was replying to is in Australia and not NZ...my bad and sincere apologies!


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Re: The Subie wagon we can't have in the US [Re: Virtus_Probi] #4469311
07/24/17 07:07 PM
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No problem, I'm about as close to NZ as one can get, without actually being there!

The Oz spec WRX and Levorg produce 197 kilowatts, which converts to around 265 horsepower.


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