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#4468069 - 07/23/17 02:38 PM Fully Synthetic Question
Gebo Offline


Registered: 09/18/02
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Ok, I have been here a long time and have "always" used Amsoil engine oil. I have no hidden agenda and the only flame I like is the one under my filet mignon and hamburgers.

I just bought a bunch of the Havoline Pro DS that was on sale for $10 for a 5 qt jug. It says "fully synthetic" on the label. What exactly does that mean?

I know it is not Amsoil or Redline and it is not synthetic blend.

Is the the term "full synthetic" [censored]?


Edited by Gebo (07/23/17 02:41 PM)
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#4468074 - 07/23/17 02:43 PM Re: Fully Synthetic Question [Re: Gebo]
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To my knowledge Amsoil is not fully PAO? It's also my understanding that a full synthetic can have a blend of base stocks.
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#4468077 - 07/23/17 02:45 PM Re: Fully Synthetic Question [Re: Gebo]
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Other than Amsoil, Redline and other boutique oils, here is the level of OTC base oils from greater to lesser:

GroupIII or GroupIII+

PAO

AN and/or esters.


Edited by MolaKule (07/23/17 02:46 PM)

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#4468079 - 07/23/17 02:47 PM Re: Fully Synthetic Question [Re: Gebo]
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At that price you can afford to decrease your OCI a bit and it still is good oil and cheap!

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#4468082 - 07/23/17 02:52 PM Re: Fully Synthetic Question [Re: MolaKule]
Gebo Offline


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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Other than Amsoil, Redline and other boutique oils, here is the level of OTC base oils from greater to lesser:

GroupIII or GroupIII+

PAO

AN and/or esters.


I've been out in the heat a little much this week so please humor me. What does the term "full synthetic" mean? Am i to assume that anything GroupIII or greater can be called a full synthetic?

Some oils say "100% synthetic". I am assuming "full" and "100%" are not synonymous.


Edited by Gebo (07/23/17 02:53 PM)
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#4468094 - 07/23/17 03:04 PM Re: Fully Synthetic Question [Re: Gebo]
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Havoline is more than likely a group 3 oil.
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#4468097 - 07/23/17 03:07 PM Re: Fully Synthetic Question [Re: Gebo]
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At that price, it's pretty good for a synthetic although it's not one of the major brands. The only other time you see something that low is during the Autozone clearance which is once a year. You should be fine running it for 10k. I think some of the other fancy oils might be good for 15-20k but I think most people are afraid of running an oil that long. On my Mercedes I like to change it at 8-9k, maybe 10k max, some people even do 5k oil changes even though the original spec was 13k.

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#4468098 - 07/23/17 03:07 PM Re: Fully Synthetic Question [Re: Gebo]
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Originally Posted By: Gebo

I've been out in the heat a little much this week so please humor me. What does the term "full synthetic" mean? Am i to assume that anything GroupIII or greater can be called a full synthetic? Some oils say "100% synthetic". I am assuming "full" and "100%" are not synonymous.


Yes -

http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/28671/basics-of-syntic-oil-technology
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#4468109 - 07/23/17 03:15 PM Re: Fully Synthetic Question [Re: Gebo]
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So to try and answer my question, Full synthetics are as close to Amsoil and Redline as you can get without being 100% synthetic? A full synthetic is between a synthetic blend and a PAO or ester based synthetic?
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#4468119 - 07/23/17 03:33 PM Re: Fully Synthetic Question [Re: Gebo]
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Can I ask why you care? The performance of an oil should mean much more than the processes done on the base stock used to make the oil. And in the case of oils marketed as full synthetic, they do outperform classic conventional oil. I don't really put much effort into looking up the PAO % in the oil I use. I use a quality full synthetic from a large blender (includes store brand oil made by big name blenders) and call it a day.

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#4468129 - 07/23/17 03:51 PM Re: Fully Synthetic Question [Re: VetteElite]
Gebo Offline


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Originally Posted By: VetteElite
Can I ask why you care? The performance of an oil should mean much more than the processes done on the base stock used to make the oil. And in the case of oils marketed as full synthetic, they do outperform classic conventional oil. I don't really put much effort into looking up the PAO % in the oil I use. I use a quality full synthetic from a large blender (includes store brand oil made by big name blenders) and call it a day.


Sure you can ask. I want an answer to my question. What I don't care about is a response like yours. I don't like being lectured about what I already know, duh...


Edited by Gebo (07/23/17 03:52 PM)
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#4468130 - 07/23/17 03:51 PM Re: Fully Synthetic Question [Re: Gebo]
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Quote:
Can I ask why you care? The performance of an oil should mean much more than the processes done on the base stock used to make the oil. And in the case of oils marketed as full synthetic, they do outperform classic conventional oil. I don't really put much effort into looking up the PAO % in the oil I use. I use a quality full synthetic from a large blender (includes store brand oil made by big name blenders) and call it a day.



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Edited by MolaKule (07/23/17 03:52 PM)

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#4468136 - 07/23/17 03:55 PM Re: Fully Synthetic Question [Re: Gebo]
MolaKule Offline


Registered: 06/05/02
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But pastor Gebo [censored]?, I answered your question above:

Originally Posted By: Mola
Other than Amsoil, Redline and other boutique oils, here is the level of [Full Synthetic] OTC base oils from greater to lesser:

GroupIII or GroupIII+

PAO

AN and/or esters.


Since GroupIII oils have been hyped and marketed by as "Synthetics" that is what you now get in OTC oils.



Edited by MolaKule (07/23/17 04:08 PM)

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#4468138 - 07/23/17 03:58 PM Re: Fully Synthetic Question [Re: Gebo]
SilverSnake Offline


Registered: 05/29/13
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Originally Posted By: Gebo
Originally Posted By: VetteElite
Can I ask why you care? The performance of an oil should mean much more than the processes done on the base stock used to make the oil. And in the case of oils marketed as full synthetic, they do outperform classic conventional oil. I don't really put much effort into looking up the PAO % in the oil I use. I use a quality full synthetic from a large blender (includes store brand oil made by big name blenders) and call it a day.


Sure you can ask. I want an answer to my question. What I don't care about is a response like yours. I don't like being lectured about what I already know, duh...


With a response like that, I doubt you will get any more help from anyone.
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#4468150 - 07/23/17 04:20 PM Re: Fully Synthetic Question [Re: Gebo]
VetteElite Offline


Registered: 04/20/13
Posts: 116
Loc: -
Originally Posted By: Gebo
Originally Posted By: VetteElite
Can I ask why you care? The performance of an oil should mean much more than the processes done on the base stock used to make the oil. And in the case of oils marketed as full synthetic, they do outperform classic conventional oil. I don't really put much effort into looking up the PAO % in the oil I use. I use a quality full synthetic from a large blender (includes store brand oil made by big name blenders) and call it a day.


Sure you can ask. I want an answer to my question. What I don't care about is a response like yours. I don't like being lectured about what I already know, duh...


I'm sorry you are so upset about something to do with motor oil.

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