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When oil gets to the varnish producing stage #4467402
07/22/17 06:15 PM
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You guys are always saying that varnish is harmless, but I'd say when oil gets to the varnish producing stage, its lubricating abilities have been compromised. What you say to that ?

Re: When oil gets to the varnish producing stage [Re: Merkava_4] #4467408
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That's a very nice assumption wink


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Re: When oil gets to the varnish producing stage [Re: Merkava_4] #4467416
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Re: When oil gets to the varnish producing stage [Re: Merkava_4] #4467428
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My 96 Bonneville has some light varnish under each valve cover. Guess that means the DELO 10w30 I have used for over 60k is bad eh? Why don't you tell us Merk? horse

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Re: When oil gets to the varnish producing stage [Re: Merkava_4] #4467440
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Varnish is a sticky substance, so if oil is getting to the point where it's sticky, how's it gonna lubricate ?

Re: When oil gets to the varnish producing stage [Re: Merkava_4] #4467441
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I'd want to change it before it gets to the varnish stage.

Re: When oil gets to the varnish producing stage [Re: Merkava_4] #4467442
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I disagree...

There's the varnish production stage, which will take place immediately in places, and in tiny quantities. It's slowed by anti-oxidants, but not stopped.

It build up in the oil, being dispersed in the oil...hotter oil holds more, colder oil holds less...that's why it plates out in places like rocker covers and turbine steam valve control gear. It gets dissolved in the hot parts, and dropped

When the oil, even hot cannot hold the products, then it's runaway.

Even at this end stage, in heavy equipment, the oil still lubricates, but there's risk of losing control of where and how much it goes.

So I disagree...until you get to the runaway stage...but the oil is shagged by that point, not in the least because of it's varnish potential.


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Re: When oil gets to the varnish producing stage [Re: Joenpb] #4467443
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Originally Posted By: Joenpb
I'd want to change it before it gets to the varnish stage.


Now you talkin'!!! thumbsup happy

Re: When oil gets to the varnish producing stage [Re: Merkava_4] #4467504
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Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
You guys are always saying that varnish is harmless, but I'd say when oil gets to the varnish producing stage, its lubricating abilities have been compromised. What you say to that ?


I agree. Plus that sticky varnish I think would eventually slowly begin to start clogging imperative passageways/rings/etc up.


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Re: When oil gets to the varnish producing stage [Re: Merkava_4] #4467524
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When oil starts to create varnish the oil is oxidizing. Not good.


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Re: When oil gets to the varnish producing stage [Re: Merkava_4] #4467574
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Would this help?

Re: When oil gets to the varnish producing stage [Re: Merkava_4] #4467673
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That's a good read, OneEye.

Re: When oil gets to the varnish producing stage [Re: OneEyeJack] #4467819
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Great read there! Really connects the dots.

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