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#4466718 - 07/21/17 09:37 PM Non paying customers!!
motor_oil_madman Offline


Registered: 11/29/09
Posts: 4858
Loc: Houston, Texas
I've had pretty good luck with people not ripping me off, but unfortunately I'm pretty sure I've gotten ripped off twice now in the last week or so.

What are good ways to collect money without going to a collection agency? One guy owes me $30 the other $170.00 This is for lawn care business. In the whole grand scheme of things it's not really enough to worry about, but obviously you have to draw the line. I'm starting to require payment upfront from now on for customers I don't know. The other problem is the amounts are so low I highly doubt a collection agency would bother with it. Can you be your own collection agency? Just keep calling and blowing up their phone with calls?
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#4466730 - 07/21/17 09:53 PM Re: Non paying customers!! [Re: motor_oil_madman]
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Registered: 07/21/02
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Small Claims Court can get you a judgment but then you have to collect it. Probably not worth the time. See if a collection agency will take on the two deadbeats; even if they their fee is 30%-40% it's better than wasting your time on it.
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#4466737 - 07/21/17 09:56 PM Re: Non paying customers!! [Re: motor_oil_madman]
Kuato Offline


Registered: 10/23/05
Posts: 7094
Loc: Colorado
Originally Posted By: motor_oil_madman
I've had pretty good luck with people not ripping me off, but unfortunately I'm pretty sure I've gotten ripped off twice now in the last week or so.

What are good ways to collect money without going to a collection agency? One guy owes me $30 the other $170.00 This is for lawn care business. In the whole grand scheme of things it's not really enough to worry about, but obviously you have to draw the line. I'm starting to require payment upfront from now on for customers I don't know. The other problem is the amounts are so low I highly doubt a collection agency would bother with it. Can you be your own collection agency? Just keep calling and blowing up their phone with calls?


If you have paperwork, you can take them to small claims court for non payment.
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#4466738 - 07/21/17 09:58 PM Re: Non paying customers!! [Re: motor_oil_madman]
Donald Offline


Registered: 03/21/04
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Loc: Upstate NY
There are rules you need to follow to collect debts. Like no calls after 8 pm.

I knew a snow plow guy who would plow an enormous pile of snow in people's driveway if they did not pay.
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#4466744 - 07/21/17 10:03 PM Re: Non paying customers!! [Re: Donald]
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Registered: 04/27/12
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Loc: MA
Originally Posted By: Donald
There are rules you need to follow to collect debts. Like no calls after 8 pm.

I knew a snow plow guy who would plow an enormous pile of snow in people's driveway if they did not pay.


I believe if you read those rules, those only apply to 3rd party debt collectors. If you're owed the money directly, there really aren't any laws that say what you can or can't do regarding the debt, but of course all other laws still apply. Not sure if plowing in someone breaks some other law, just like pouring gasoline on the lawn so it doesn't grow probably violates a few other laws.

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#4466746 - 07/21/17 10:06 PM Re: Non paying customers!! [Re: motor_oil_madman]
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Registered: 04/27/12
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Oh and here's the classic, start hunting them down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z9Cg46Nktw&t=86s&ab_channel=dragonlord1958

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#4466751 - 07/21/17 10:12 PM Re: Non paying customers!! [Re: motor_oil_madman]
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Registered: 11/29/09
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Loc: Houston, Texas
One was a renter and I don't even know where he went. I was mowing and realized one day, that hey there isn't much furniture in the house. I think he actually just up and left, so probably didn't pay the landlord either. I skipped mowing after that and saw the next week it was mowed. The customer doesn't answer the phone. Usually when a renters lease is up they put another for lease sign out front before they move out, this didn't happen.


Edited by motor_oil_madman (07/21/17 10:13 PM)
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#4466754 - 07/21/17 10:15 PM Re: Non paying customers!! [Re: motor_oil_madman]
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Registered: 03/18/08
Posts: 5627
Loc: South Florida
Send them first notice, second notice, third notice, past due, way past due, account delinquent, in that order. ALL on paper so you have a paper trail. If that doesn't work, send them a letter of intent to file suit in small claims court. Usually a letter of intent will get their attention, and the bill will be paid 90% of the time.

If not, actually go through the motions to suit them in small claims. You don't need a legal background. You just fill out some forms, and bring your documentation. Request that they pay your court cost and all fees if the judge finds in your favor.
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#4466758 - 07/21/17 10:22 PM Re: Non paying customers!! [Re: Donald]
motor_oil_madman Offline


Registered: 11/29/09
Posts: 4858
Loc: Houston, Texas
Originally Posted By: Donald
There are rules you need to follow to collect debts. Like no calls after 8 pm.

I knew a snow plow guy who would plow an enormous pile of snow in people's driveway if they did not pay.


I'll call these [censored] at 3am if it's not illegal.
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#4466760 - 07/21/17 10:25 PM Re: Non paying customers!! [Re: motor_oil_madman]
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Registered: 08/08/04
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I back bubbatime, I hate the court.
But between auto repair, lawn care, and land conctracts it seems i am in court 2-3 times a year.


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#4466761 - 07/21/17 10:26 PM Re: Non paying customers!! [Re: Wolf359]
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Registered: 12/30/06
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Loc: Dallas,Tx USA
Originally Posted By: Wolf359
Oh and here's the classic, start hunting them down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z9Cg46Nktw&t=86s&ab_channel=dragonlord1958


@1:52 "My grandmother dropped acid" haha I love that movie!!
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#4466764 - 07/21/17 10:27 PM Re: Non paying customers!! [Re: motor_oil_madman]
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Is this something you'll need to file a police report on?
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#4466772 - 07/21/17 10:40 PM Re: Non paying customers!! [Re: bubbatime]
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Registered: 10/05/05
Posts: 4296
Loc: Kansas
Originally Posted By: bubbatime
Send them first notice, second notice, third notice, past due, way past due, account delinquent, in that order. ALL on paper so you have a paper trail. If that doesn't work, send them a letter of intent to file suit in small claims court. Usually a letter of intent will get their attention, and the bill will be paid 90% of the time.

If not, actually go through the motions to suit them in small claims. You don't need a legal background. You just fill out some forms, and bring your documentation. Request that they pay your court cost and all fees if the judge finds in your favor.


The mail will have to be by certified letter or they can just say "it never arrived".
Last I heard (and possibly incorrectly) a judge can deliver a verdict in small claims court, but the verdict really has no muscle to it. In other words, a judge can tell a person to pay up, but if he doesn't, there can be no real penalties.

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#4466776 - 07/21/17 10:52 PM Re: Non paying customers!! [Re: aquariuscsm]
Wolf359 Online   content


Registered: 04/27/12
Posts: 4764
Loc: MA
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Originally Posted By: Wolf359
Oh and here's the classic, start hunting them down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z9Cg46Nktw&t=86s&ab_channel=dragonlord1958


@1:52 "My grandmother dropped acid" haha I love that movie!!


Yeah, "I don't have a dime", "Didn't ask for a dime, $2".

That renter is probably gone. But if it's a landlord, you could probably file in small claims, get a judgement and then file a lien on the property so they'd have to pay it off when it sells. Our state automatically slaps on 12% til they pay it so it could sit there for years til it's sold and then they'd have to pay it unless it gets foreclosed on by the bank.

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#4466783 - 07/21/17 10:59 PM Re: Non paying customers!! [Re: bubbatime]
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Registered: 01/27/17
Posts: 1139
Loc: USA
Originally Posted By: bubbatime
Send them first notice, second notice, third notice, past due, way past due, account delinquent, in that order. ALL on paper so you have a paper trail. If that doesn't work, send them a letter of intent to file suit in small claims court. Usually a letter of intent will get their attention, and the bill will be paid 90% of the time.

If not, actually go through the motions to suit them in small claims. You don't need a legal background. You just fill out some forms, and bring your documentation. Request that they pay your court cost and all fees if the judge finds in your favor.


Write it off as a loss and a learning experience on how to avoid getting stuck like this in the future.

$30 is not worth one more second of your time.

The $170 maybe but lets say you spend 2 hours on preparing and sending invoices and then you go to small claims court.

How many lawns could have finished in that time?

Whatever you decide, don't spray with lawn with a grass killer of any sort because everyone has security cameras and you will get popped for an actual crime and then he will be the one collecting damages from you.

Good luck.
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