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Any changes or new data for or against TGMO 0w20? #4465217
07/20/17 04:23 PM
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I recently purchased a new 2017 Tundra 5.7 4x4. I've been reading older forum posts regarding M1 vs TGMO, and I'd like to see if there was any updated information to encourage or discourage the use of TGMO over M1. I had planned on using M1, but I'm torn after seeing that TGMO might have specific properties with Toyota engines in mind. I've used M1 in my past vehicles, but I want to use the best oil for this truck. I live in Texas where the summer temperatures can reach 100+ and winters can get down to 10 occasionally. I change my oil every 5,000 miles, and I do not do any off-roading or severe driving. My biggest obstacle is trusting an oil the dealership sells and one that isn't a "name brand" such as M1 or Penzoil. Any advice or opinions are appreciated.

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Re: Any changes or new data for or against TGMO 0w20? [Re: Idlewild294] #4465232
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If it was mine and best I thought I was going to be doing for it it would be M1 you just can't beat roll back price at
WM for such a top notch oil.

Re: Any changes or new data for or against TGMO 0w20? [Re: Idlewild294] #4465237
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WM , WM, WM, WM, WM...

Im sick of hearing that word WM.


RIP......2009 Sonata GL 2.4L (226000km)-QS FS 5W20, OEM oil filter
2009 Sonata LTD 2.4L (170000km)Castrol Edge 5W20,

2018 Sedona SX+ -TOTAL INEO mc3 5W30 with Kia filter
Re: Any changes or new data for or against TGMO 0w20? [Re: Idlewild294] #4465239
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From what I've read on the forum, Toyota start with a volume of TGMO, and build the car around it, whether it be a Prius or a Tundra...that's their design philosophy, and it works for any of the half dozen varietals of TGMO that have and currently exist...it's that good.

Members have reported 8% fuel economy improvements, and a quieter engine.

I'm not sure that I believe the claims regarding male pattern baldness and the heatbreak of psoriasis, but whenever I refute the OTHER claims, I'm a hater who has never tried it, so therefore have no idea.

5,000 for a full synthetic in your application is a cake walk...pick a name brand that you can get at Walmart, and you won't go wrong.

Re: Any changes or new data for or against TGMO 0w20? [Re: Idlewild294] #4465247
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Doesn't Mobil 1 make TGMO for the US domestic market?


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Re: Any changes or new data for or against TGMO 0w20? [Re: PimTac] #4465271
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Originally Posted By: PimTac
Doesn't Mobil 1 make TGMO for the US domestic market?


Yes, apparently using a unique additive package that Toyota specified to Mobil...rumour had it at one stage that they even provided the package TO Mobil specifically for this product.

Re: Any changes or new data for or against TGMO 0w20? [Re: Shannow] #4465362
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Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: PimTac
Doesn't Mobil 1 make TGMO for the US domestic market?


Yes, apparently using a unique additive package that Toyota specified to Mobil...rumour had it at one stage that they even provided the package TO Mobil specifically for this product.


It must be that Japanese moly I've heard about. I do remember reading how special this oil really is. It's a great oil, no doubts, but there are plenty of great oils out there.


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Re: Any changes or new data for or against TGMO 0w20? [Re: Idlewild294] #4465379
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Any of the major brands of proper speced oil will allow the longest life possible. This isn't the 1970's oils


2015 Ford F150 2.7
2018 Ford F350 6.2
Re: Any changes or new data for or against TGMO 0w20? [Re: Idlewild294] #4465382
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Any quality 5w-30 year round. I like M1


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Re: Any changes or new data for or against TGMO 0w20? [Re: Shannow] #4465393
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Originally Posted By: Shannow
From what I've read on the forum, Toyota start with a volume of TGMO, and build the car around it, whether it be a Prius or a Tundra...that's their design philosophy, and it works for any of the half dozen varietals of TGMO that have and currently exist...it's that good.

Members have reported 8% fuel economy improvements, and a quieter engine.

I'm not sure that I believe the claims regarding male pattern baldness and the heatbreak of psoriasis, but whenever I refute the OTHER claims, I'm a hater who has never tried it, so therefore have no idea.

5,000 for a full synthetic in your application is a cake walk...pick a name brand that you can get at Walmart, and you won't go wrong.
If it is on the net it must be fact.


2015 Ford F150 2.7
2018 Ford F350 6.2
Re: Any changes or new data for or against TGMO 0w20? [Re: MobilinHyundia] #4465512
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Originally Posted By: MobilinHyundia
WM , WM, WM, WM, WM...

Im sick of hearing that word WM.


WM almost sounds like an oil property worthy to be listed in the specs smile


1988 Mazda RX7 na PP 10w30 Noack 4.7
1994 Chrysler Concorde 3.3
1999 Ford Expedition 4.6 QSUD 10W30 NOACK 5.0
Re: Any changes or new data for or against TGMO 0w20? [Re: Idlewild294] #4465526
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Any oil will work great! TGMO or otherwise.


2007 Corolla Red Pearl 155k miles
PP 0w20 & ST 4967

Re: Any changes or new data for or against TGMO 0w20? [Re: Idlewild294] #4465535
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If you can get it at a good price then go for it, but OTC synthetics have a better base stock if that matters to you. I would choose Pennzoil Platinum 0w20 and rest easy. Great add pack and basestock, and at a great every day price.


2012 Honda Accord EX-L K24z3
54,xxx miles
PPPP 0w20 / Fram Ultra

2014 VW Jetta SE 1.8T ea888
40,xxx miles
Castrol OEM dealer fill / OEM filter
Re: Any changes or new data for or against TGMO 0w20? [Re: Idlewild294] #4465545
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TGMO has about twice the moly. We don't have CCS and NOACK data on TGMO to compare the base oils. With TGMO you get the conventional Ca detergent like in Pennzoil Platinum but M1 uses Ca/Mg mix.

I haven't done a UOA on M1 0W-20. I like the twice the dose of moly in TGMO though. It's probably the same kind (trinuclear moly) in TGMO, M1, and Pennzoil Platinum.

One downside of Pennzoil Platinum is that, while its base oil is only second to Amsoil Signature Series' (and probably ties with Quaker State's), its moly dosage is on the low side.


1985 Toyota Corolla LE, 4A-LC engine, ~ 271,000 M
Toyota (TGMO) 0W-20 SN high-moly GTL (© 2015 reformulation)
Mobil 1 EP M1-103 filter, 90430-12031 drain gasket
Re: Any changes or new data for or against TGMO 0w20? [Re: Idlewild294] #4465722
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Molybdenum is not the end all to be all. It's not some magic dust that makes oil into super oil. Many oils have no moly present yet they perform splendidly. Castrol and Kendall use titanium. Some use components not picked up on analysis. In fact, what I see as of late is more oils reducing moly in their formulations.

The idea that if something works then more of it should work even better is a fallacy that people should have learned long ago but stubbornly, people never learn.


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