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#4465217 - 07/20/17 05:23 PM Any changes or new data for or against TGMO 0w20?
Idlewild294 Offline


Registered: 03/09/13
Posts: 23
Loc: TX
I recently purchased a new 2017 Tundra 5.7 4x4. I've been reading older forum posts regarding M1 vs TGMO, and I'd like to see if there was any updated information to encourage or discourage the use of TGMO over M1. I had planned on using M1, but I'm torn after seeing that TGMO might have specific properties with Toyota engines in mind. I've used M1 in my past vehicles, but I want to use the best oil for this truck. I live in Texas where the summer temperatures can reach 100+ and winters can get down to 10 occasionally. I change my oil every 5,000 miles, and I do not do any off-roading or severe driving. My biggest obstacle is trusting an oil the dealership sells and one that isn't a "name brand" such as M1 or Penzoil. Any advice or opinions are appreciated.


Edited by Idlewild294 (07/20/17 05:27 PM)

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#4465232 - 07/20/17 05:40 PM Re: Any changes or new data for or against TGMO 0w20? [Re: Idlewild294]
dave123 Offline


Registered: 01/13/09
Posts: 2314
Loc: wi
If it was mine and best I thought I was going to be doing for it it would be M1 you just can't beat roll back price at
WM for such a top notch oil.

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#4465237 - 07/20/17 05:44 PM Re: Any changes or new data for or against TGMO 0w20? [Re: Idlewild294]
MobilinHyundia Offline


Registered: 09/27/10
Posts: 366
Loc: Ontario, Canada
WM , WM, WM, WM, WM...

Im sick of hearing that word WM.
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2009 Sonata GL 2.4L (226000km)-QS FS 5W20 ,OEM oil filter
2009 Sonata LTD 2.4L (170000km)Castrol Egde 5W20, RP filter

24000km/15000 mile oci so far

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#4465239 - 07/20/17 05:46 PM Re: Any changes or new data for or against TGMO 0w20? [Re: Idlewild294]
Shannow Online   content


Registered: 12/12/02
Posts: 39858
Loc: 'Stralia
From what I've read on the forum, Toyota start with a volume of TGMO, and build the car around it, whether it be a Prius or a Tundra...that's their design philosophy, and it works for any of the half dozen varietals of TGMO that have and currently exist...it's that good.

Members have reported 8% fuel economy improvements, and a quieter engine.

I'm not sure that I believe the claims regarding male pattern baldness and the heatbreak of psoriasis, but whenever I refute the OTHER claims, I'm a hater who has never tried it, so therefore have no idea.

5,000 for a full synthetic in your application is a cake walk...pick a name brand that you can get at Walmart, and you won't go wrong.

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#4465247 - 07/20/17 05:50 PM Re: Any changes or new data for or against TGMO 0w20? [Re: Idlewild294]
PimTac Offline


Registered: 03/04/17
Posts: 4285
Loc: Soviet State of Washington
Doesn't Mobil 1 make TGMO for the US domestic market?
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#4465271 - 07/20/17 06:07 PM Re: Any changes or new data for or against TGMO 0w20? [Re: PimTac]
Shannow Online   content


Registered: 12/12/02
Posts: 39858
Loc: 'Stralia
Originally Posted By: PimTac
Doesn't Mobil 1 make TGMO for the US domestic market?


Yes, apparently using a unique additive package that Toyota specified to Mobil...rumour had it at one stage that they even provided the package TO Mobil specifically for this product.

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#4465362 - 07/20/17 07:18 PM Re: Any changes or new data for or against TGMO 0w20? [Re: Shannow]
PimTac Offline


Registered: 03/04/17
Posts: 4285
Loc: Soviet State of Washington
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: PimTac
Doesn't Mobil 1 make TGMO for the US domestic market?


Yes, apparently using a unique additive package that Toyota specified to Mobil...rumour had it at one stage that they even provided the package TO Mobil specifically for this product.


It must be that Japanese moly I've heard about. I do remember reading how special this oil really is. It's a great oil, no doubts, but there are plenty of great oils out there.
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#4465379 - 07/20/17 07:31 PM Re: Any changes or new data for or against TGMO 0w20? [Re: Idlewild294]
CT8 Offline


Registered: 10/09/14
Posts: 10967
Loc: Idaho
Any of the major brands of proper speced oil will allow the longest life possible. This isn't the 1970's oils
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#4465382 - 07/20/17 07:33 PM Re: Any changes or new data for or against TGMO 0w20? [Re: Idlewild294]
SilverFusion2010 Offline


Registered: 06/29/11
Posts: 1657
Loc: Crawfordville FL
Any quality 5w-30 year round. I like M1
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#4465393 - 07/20/17 07:38 PM Re: Any changes or new data for or against TGMO 0w20? [Re: Shannow]
CT8 Offline


Registered: 10/09/14
Posts: 10967
Loc: Idaho
Originally Posted By: Shannow
From what I've read on the forum, Toyota start with a volume of TGMO, and build the car around it, whether it be a Prius or a Tundra...that's their design philosophy, and it works for any of the half dozen varietals of TGMO that have and currently exist...it's that good.

Members have reported 8% fuel economy improvements, and a quieter engine.

I'm not sure that I believe the claims regarding male pattern baldness and the heatbreak of psoriasis, but whenever I refute the OTHER claims, I'm a hater who has never tried it, so therefore have no idea.

5,000 for a full synthetic in your application is a cake walk...pick a name brand that you can get at Walmart, and you won't go wrong.
If it is on the net it must be fact.
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#4465512 - 07/20/17 09:20 PM Re: Any changes or new data for or against TGMO 0w20? [Re: MobilinHyundia]
merconvvv Offline


Registered: 07/10/16
Posts: 682
Loc: il usa
Originally Posted By: MobilinHyundia
WM , WM, WM, WM, WM...

Im sick of hearing that word WM.


WM almost sounds like an oil property worthy to be listed in the specs smile
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#4465526 - 07/20/17 09:33 PM Re: Any changes or new data for or against TGMO 0w20? [Re: Idlewild294]
Rolla07 Offline


Registered: 11/05/11
Posts: 4737
Loc: MTL, CANADA
Any oil will work great! TGMO or otherwise.
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PP 0w20 & ST 4967


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#4465535 - 07/20/17 09:38 PM Re: Any changes or new data for or against TGMO 0w20? [Re: Idlewild294]
gregk24 Offline


Registered: 04/13/13
Posts: 5601
Loc: FL, USA
If you can get it at a good price then go for it, but OTC synthetics have a better base stock if that matters to you. I would choose Pennzoil Platinum 0w20 and rest easy. Great add pack and basestock, and at a great every day price.
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#4465545 - 07/20/17 09:48 PM Re: Any changes or new data for or against TGMO 0w20? [Re: Idlewild294]
Gokhan Offline


Registered: 12/29/10
Posts: 3005
Loc: Los Angeles, California
TGMO has about twice the moly. We don't have CCS and NOACK data on TGMO to compare the base oils. With TGMO you get the conventional Ca detergent like in Pennzoil Platinum but M1 uses Ca/Mg mix.

I haven't done a UOA on M1 0W-20. I like the twice the dose of moly in TGMO though. It's probably the same kind (trinuclear moly) in TGMO, M1, and Pennzoil Platinum.

One downside of Pennzoil Platinum is that, while its base oil is only second to Amsoil Signature Series' (and probably ties with Quaker State's), its moly dosage is on the low side.
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1985 Toyota Corolla LE, 4A-LC engine, ~ 270,000 M
Toyota (TGMO) 0W-20 SN synthetic
Mobil 1 EP M1-103 filter, 90430-12031 drain gasket

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#4465722 - 07/21/17 03:35 AM Re: Any changes or new data for or against TGMO 0w20? [Re: Idlewild294]
PimTac Offline


Registered: 03/04/17
Posts: 4285
Loc: Soviet State of Washington
Molybdenum is not the end all to be all. It's not some magic dust that makes oil into super oil. Many oils have no moly present yet they perform splendidly. Castrol and Kendall use titanium. Some use components not picked up on analysis. In fact, what I see as of late is more oils reducing moly in their formulations.

The idea that if something works then more of it should work even better is a fallacy that people should have learned long ago but stubbornly, people never learn.
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Valvoline Advanced Synthetic 0w20
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