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Alternative to Fram PH8170 filter for a Briggs? #4464890
07/20/17 12:30 PM
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Throckmorton Offline OP
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Are there any alternatives you would recommend to a Fram PH8170 or Briggs and Stratton 492932 oil filter for a 25 hp V-twin Briggs and Stratton engine? At ~ $12-15 it looks as if these filters are relatively expensive because they are so short and have few applications. It looks like I can fit a 1-1.5" longer filter. Does anyone have a list of cross references for slightly longer filters?

Re: Alternative to Fram PH8170 filter for a Briggs? [Re: Throckmorton] #4464894
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Originally Posted By: Throckmorton
Are there any alternatives you would recommend to a Fram PH8170 ... It looks like I can fit a 1-1.5" longer filter.


Try a PH3614. It's about 3/4" longer.

Super Tech (a.k.a Napa Select) ST3614 will run about $3


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: Alternative to Fram PH8170 filter for a Briggs? [Re: Throckmorton] #4464895
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"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: Alternative to Fram PH8170 filter for a Briggs? [Re: Throckmorton] #4464918
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Why go for a longer filter of inferior construction? The PH8170 is very well built: metal end caps and all.

How much filter volume does a little Briggs honestly need?


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Re: Alternative to Fram PH8170 filter for a Briggs? [Re: Throckmorton] #4464923
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Replacement oil filters for Fram PH8170:

Baldwin

B7165


Beck/Arnley

041-0767

041-8078

Bosch

0986452058


CARQUEST

85065


Champ

LF503


CROSLAND

2099


CUB CADET

120-5008


Donaldson

P502024


HASTINGS

LF503


John Deere

AM125424

AM125424C

AM131948

GY20577


KAWASAKI

49065-7007


LISTER-PETTER

751-12870


LUBER-FINER

PH3656


NAPA

1056

1056MP

7035


Tecumseh

36563

36961

740057

Wix

51056

57035


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Re: Alternative to Fram PH8170 filter for a Briggs? [Re: Throckmorton] #4464926
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I always just use a ~$3 PH3614 filter on my small engines. Almost $15 for a lawn mower oil filter is crazy.


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Re: Alternative to Fram PH8170 filter for a Briggs? [Re: Throckmorton] #4464937
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I made a list years ago using Purolator numbers:

Stock size (X-Small) - L35310

Small - L10241

Medium - L20195

Large - L30001

X-Large - L40017

I typically run the L10241 (uses 2 quarts right on the nose). Convert to any filter manufacturer you prefer.


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Re: Alternative to Fram PH8170 filter for a Briggs? [Re: Throckmorton] #4464972
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I use the MC FL910S on my Briggs 21HP riding mower.


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MC filters

Re: Alternative to Fram PH8170 filter for a Briggs? [Re: Throckmorton] #4465087
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Fram 3614 fits great in my Craftsman T3200. The top of the line Ultra is still cheaper than the 8170.


2006 Trailblazer LT. QSUD with Fram Ultra.
2017 Ram 3500 SLT Megacab. Duron SHP 10w30 with Hastings LF608.
1993 GMC 1500. QSAD with Fram PH5
Re: Alternative to Fram PH8170 filter for a Briggs? [Re: Throckmorton] #4465094
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The Fram Ultra XG3614 is constructed well and has very good specs


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2002 Buick Century 144k - Built 4T65e(Maxlife) - GTX 5w30 + Fram XG3980
Re: Alternative to Fram PH8170 filter for a Briggs? [Re: BrianF] #4465095
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Originally Posted By: BrianF
Fram 3614 fits great in my Craftsman T3200. The top of the line Ultra is still cheaper than the 8170.
That's what I was thinking. I can probably get a toughguard TG3614 for less than the cost of a PH8170. I'm pretty certain the toughguard is a better filter too.

Re: Alternative to Fram PH8170 filter for a Briggs? [Re: Throckmorton] #4465112
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I have the toughguard on as we speak. Even with the terrible regular Canadian prices, it was much cheaper and according to the filter dissections on this site they are a well built filter that, in my mind will have no issues running stock or longer changes.

I have yet to see a toughguard or Ultra with torn media or in general garbage construction. I will run the TG for the 100 hour index and rip it open to have a look.


2006 Trailblazer LT. QSUD with Fram Ultra.
2017 Ram 3500 SLT Megacab. Duron SHP 10w30 with Hastings LF608.
1993 GMC 1500. QSAD with Fram PH5
Re: Alternative to Fram PH8170 filter for a Briggs? [Re: Throckmorton] #4465120
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The Fram 3600 or Purolator 20195 may fit,
same base as the 3614, but nearly five inches long,
The 3614 is three and a half inches long,

It also holds eight more ounces of oil, the 3614 holds four more...

I run the AutoZone STP blue S3600 on my Craftsman LT200 lawn tractor,


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Re: Alternative to Fram PH8170 filter for a Briggs? [Re: rooflessVW] #4465150
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Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Why go for a longer filter of inferior construction?
How much filter volume does a little Briggs honestly need?


It does NOT need a bigger filter. He explained his purpose very clearly:
Originally Posted By: Throckmorton
At ~ $12-15 it looks as if these filters are relatively expensive because they are so short and have few applications.


I think a $3 super tech will be just fine, I've been running ST3614's on big Briggs, Onan and Kohler engines for years and years and years ......


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: Alternative to Fram PH8170 filter for a Briggs? [Re: Throckmorton] #4465195
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But the 3600 is the same price as the 3614, in fact, it may be cheaper,.

Only problem is clearance...


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Pennzoil Platinum Euro 0W-40, Purolator Synthetic PSL 14610, 45 mpg...
185/55R15 General HP tires, "H" speed rated, 44 psi (300 kpa)
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