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#4464647 - 07/20/17 08:16 AM After use: microgreen cartridge filter MG1009
440Magnum Offline


Registered: 02/01/09
Posts: 8754
Loc: Texas
I started out dubious of Microgreen, and my test run pretty much confirmed my doubts.

The application is a 2014 Chrysler Pentastar v6, and the filter is an MG1009 as shown on the MG website:



The only reason I even explored MG is because there are almost no premium or synthetic media filters for this application. No Fram Ultra. No Royal Purple. No Purolator Boss. I don't believe premium filters are truly necessary, but since the OLM on this application usually runs the oil out to 10,000 miles, a little added media life wouldn't be a bad thing. And by "life" I mean "calendar days installed" life as much as I mean miles. A 10k OCI can be pretty long for us.

The box proclaimed "made in China," and I almost pitched it then. But the cartridge looked well assembled, no gaps, uniform, etc. so I decided to give it a run. The Microgreen cartridge filter is not like their canister filters with a bypass type filter plumbed in with a standard filter, but instead is just an ordinary allegedly synthetic media cartridge wrapped in a foam "rock catcher" that shouldn't do a darned thing in a healthy engine. The pores are huge and would only stop really big chunks. No benefit, but no harm.. except that it DID do something:



The oil flow into the circumference of the filter enters the canister at the bottom (left) side of the filter, and the flow obviously skooshed (engineering term...) the foam rock-catcher up toward the top (right) of the filter and compressed it. The flow through the main media wasn't compromised in the lower 2/3 of the filter, but was probably restricted in the 1/3. Given that the filter was still very clean, I doubt that it ever went into bypass, but this is still not a good thing to have happen. And its not like the diameter of the filter made it such that it was just squeezed into the filter housing, either, there was plenty of room around the periphery.

The main media itself looked fine:



But my verdict is still, "oh HECK no, never again!" It now has an ordinary Wix cartridge installed.
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#4464649 - 07/20/17 08:21 AM Re: After use: microgreen cartridge filter MG1009 [Re: 440Magnum]
demarpaint Offline


Registered: 07/03/05
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Loc: NY
I bought Fram Ultra for the application. PM sent with link. I was considering the Micro Green filters and said no way! Your pictures confirm. Thanks for posting.
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#4464650 - 07/20/17 08:23 AM Re: After use: microgreen cartridge filter MG1009 [Re: 440Magnum]
AirgunSavant Offline


Registered: 07/22/15
Posts: 3772
Loc: MD
That has been shown here before with this type of filter.

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#4464662 - 07/20/17 08:33 AM Re: After use: microgreen cartridge filter MG1009 [Re: demarpaint]
440Magnum Offline


Registered: 02/01/09
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Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I bought Fram Ultra for the application. PM sent with link. I was considering the Micro Green filters and said no way! Your pictures confirm. Thanks for posting.


Wow, those look nice. They definitely weren't available last year when I bought the MG and Wix (I bought the Wix at the same time to use in case I was scared of the MG right out of the box, and its been on my shelf ever since).

The MG probably wouldn't suck if they'd just leave off the dumb foam sleeve. Its a total gimmick, and I *almost* installed it with the sleeve removed. It would have obviously been better.

I forgot to mention that K&N also has a premium filter for that application, but I'm always a little dubious that they sacrifice efficiency for flow.
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#4464670 - 07/20/17 08:42 AM Re: After use: microgreen cartridge filter MG1009 [Re: 440Magnum]
Ducked Offline


Registered: 10/25/12
Posts: 4325
Loc: Taiwan
If you think the foam does nothing, because it has large holes, do you really think it compromised filtration when a bit compressed at one end of the cartridge?

Maybe its a self-forming bypass section smile

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#4464673 - 07/20/17 08:45 AM Re: After use: microgreen cartridge filter MG1009 [Re: 440Magnum]
AirgunSavant Offline


Registered: 07/22/15
Posts: 3772
Loc: MD
I wouldn't use these again either. I am using up some spin on filters and they have been good in my application but MG when confronted with questions or pictures like yours, just blows you off. So I'd go elsewhere as well.

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#4464682 - 07/20/17 08:53 AM Re: After use: microgreen cartridge filter MG1009 [Re: Ducked]
440Magnum Offline


Registered: 02/01/09
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Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: Ducked
If you think the foam does nothing, because it has large holes, do you really think it compromised filtration when a bit compressed at one end of the cartridge



As I said in the original post: no, not really. The potential compromise would be flow, but I don't think even that was a problem. Its just a stupid design, does nothing positive, costs more, and has the POTENTIAL to do something negative.
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#4464691 - 07/20/17 08:59 AM Re: After use: microgreen cartridge filter MG1009 [Re: 440Magnum]
demarpaint Offline


Registered: 07/03/05
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Loc: NY
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I bought Fram Ultra for the application. PM sent with link. I was considering the Micro Green filters and said no way! Your pictures confirm. Thanks for posting.


Wow, those look nice. They definitely weren't available last year when I bought the MG and Wix (I bought the Wix at the same time to use in case I was scared of the MG right out of the box, and its been on my shelf ever since).

The MG probably wouldn't suck if they'd just leave off the dumb foam sleeve. Its a total gimmick, and I *almost* installed it with the sleeve removed. It would have obviously been better.

I forgot to mention that K&N also has a premium filter for that application, but I'm always a little dubious that they sacrifice efficiency for flow.


They are nice. I started a thread a while back with a picture of the Ultra next to the Mopar filter.

I'm not a K&N fan. I saw the filters in a few different stores and left them there.

I'm not due for an oil change for another few months, I'll be using the Ultra then.
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#4464692 - 07/20/17 08:59 AM Re: After use: microgreen cartridge filter MG1009 [Re: 440Magnum]
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Registered: 12/26/05
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Loc: Upper Midwest
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
As I said in the original post: no, not really. The potential compromise would be flow, but I don't think even that was a problem. Its just a stupid design, does nothing positive, costs more, and has the POTENTIAL to do something negative.

And is reflective of the care, quality and engineering that goes into the design. Gimmicks abound with this company, none of which are backed up with any data.
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#4464710 - 07/20/17 09:13 AM Re: After use: microgreen cartridge filter MG1009 [Re: 440Magnum]
Sayjac Offline


Registered: 10/13/08
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Loc: The Old North State
Interesting results. Thanks for pics and thoughts.

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#4464721 - 07/20/17 09:25 AM Re: After use: microgreen cartridge filter MG1009 [Re: 440Magnum]
goodtimes Offline


Registered: 12/08/10
Posts: 2845
Loc: california
Filling the canister gap with foam seems like an obvious design flaw and it is as you prove. But the foam is darker by a lot than the element, just observation. I have a filter from them that the adbv is tight against the end cap, no way I will use that. Nothing is wrong with the factory filter IMO, it is the one the dealer will use for service. Factory filters are tested and designed for the engines they go on.

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#4464733 - 07/20/17 09:34 AM Re: After use: microgreen cartridge filter MG1009 [Re: 440Magnum]
HangFire Offline


Registered: 08/21/13
Posts: 2506
Loc: Central Maryland
It appears the foam sleeve is only there to back up marketing claims of dual filtration paths, and not for actual functional benefit.
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#4464734 - 07/20/17 09:36 AM Re: After use: microgreen cartridge filter MG1009 [Re: 440Magnum]
UncleDave Offline


Registered: 06/02/14
Posts: 1636
Loc: Ca.
Their cartridge line makes little to no sense to me for the reasons stated above.

I don't run them.

I like their spin ons.

UD
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#4464736 - 07/20/17 09:37 AM Re: After use: microgreen cartridge filter MG1009 [Re: 440Magnum]
goodtimes Offline


Registered: 12/08/10
Posts: 2845
Loc: california
The other thing interesting is the paper towel or whatever in the background. The oil is filtered through the paper by capillary action, and is darker in the center. I think that is a way to test for oil contamination, but no one will agree I am sure of that. I put some oil from my Volt which just had a dealer oil change with a Delco PF65 and the oil on the coffee filter spread through the whole thing after a couple weeks and looked clear as water. I put another drop on a coffee filter from my Toyota with 3k on the oil and it is darker in the center and spread out only like a half dollar size in weeks. So the coffee filter tests for oil viscosity and contamination. grin

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#4464766 - 07/20/17 10:40 AM Re: After use: microgreen cartridge filter MG1009 [Re: 440Magnum]
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Registered: 09/23/14
Posts: 1342
Loc: Toronto Canada
Excellent post. Good to see the pics and hear an honest account of what happened.

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