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#4463702 - 07/19/17 08:46 AM Officially Switching To Fram.
Panzerman Offline


Registered: 12/16/06
Posts: 4203
Loc: Port Orange, Florida
Been a faithful Purolator user since 1992, even the tears didn't really bother me. I cut open three and found none so I am thinking it was less than what people made it look like.
Even if you did get a tear it would not be catastrophic failure just some minor wear.
No the deal breaker is because of that stamped perforated center tube. Some look like they have no holes. I bought a Pure One and I can barely see the slit. Picked up a classic and I can see the slit but not much better. Some are decent, some are not. Regardless I am not going to handpick oil filters.
I like seeing nice round holes in there. I ll never use a E-Core. I want a steel center tube with holes. So I am switching to Fram Ultra.
I think Fram has really improved thier Quality Control and I would even use their Orange cans but since I ve switched to pretty much Synthetics, I ll go with the Ultra.
Purolator spent so much money and time on release of thier new filters and I think they made them worse. Louvered slits don't get it and it's funny because the smaller filters still have the holes so why just the slits in the bigger filters? Whatever.


Edited by Panzerman (07/19/17 08:56 AM)
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#4463710 - 07/19/17 08:48 AM Re: Officially Switching To Fram. [Re: Panzerman]
AirgunSavant Offline


Registered: 07/22/15
Posts: 3772
Loc: MD
Being faithful to a product is not an indication that it is or was a quality product.

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#4463725 - 07/19/17 09:00 AM Re: Officially Switching To Fram. [Re: AirgunSavant]
Panzerman Offline


Registered: 12/16/06
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Originally Posted By: AirgunSavant
Being faithful to a product is not an indication that it is or was a quality product.

Usually it is actually.
A product has followers because usually it's good. If it gets good results more people use it though word of mouth and results.
Examples are Marvel Mystery Oil v.s Slick 50.
If people had good results with Slick 50. It would be selling. Product lines have to keep their customers happy though and Purolator failed miserably.
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#4463740 - 07/19/17 09:13 AM Re: Officially Switching To Fram. [Re: Panzerman]
Linctex Offline


Registered: 12/31/16
Posts: 6148
Loc: Waco, TX
I've been getting great deals on filters from RockAuto, though I also get a "surprise" from them once in a while.

I haven't been truly disappointed in any filter I've gotten from them, other than the boxes might have a lot of shelf wear.
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#4463744 - 07/19/17 09:18 AM Re: Officially Switching To Fram. [Re: Panzerman]
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Registered: 10/09/14
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Loc: Idaho
Purolater have been the lowest of the low end filters for decades.
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#4463749 - 07/19/17 09:23 AM Re: Officially Switching To Fram. [Re: Panzerman]
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Registered: 07/22/15
Posts: 3772
Loc: MD
I respectfully disagree.
How many people put a filter on and never do anything to prove how well it worked and how its made?
Most don't. Most don't even have access to equipment or testing to know. Even yourself opened three and that is no sampling to prove or disprove anything. No offence.
Take doctors. I know people that love their doctor that is a complete butcher because he or she is nice to them.
Does that make them a good doctor. No!
And by word of mouth these same poor doctors become legends.
That's said I have no issue with what anybody uses. Why should I?
I used Puro's way back in the early days- one reason was local parts stores in the 80's didn't carry many other choices.

Originally Posted By: Panzerman
Originally Posted By: AirgunSavant
Being faithful to a product is not an indication that it is or was a quality product.

Usually it is actually.
A product has followers because usually it's good. If it gets good results more people use it though word of mouth and results.
Examples are Marvel Mystery Oil v.s Slick 50.
If people had good results with Slick 50. It would be selling. Product lines have to keep their customers happy though and Purolator failed miserably.

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#4463766 - 07/19/17 09:40 AM Re: Officially Switching To Fram. [Re: Panzerman]
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Registered: 06/30/11
Posts: 6998
Loc: Mahzurrah!
I have been forced to abandon some of the Motorcrafts I have long been using for the same reason. They are showing up with Puro slits now and it is too hard to tell if they are actually open or not. Really not interested in doing 8k OCI's with a filter in bypass the whole time.
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#4463769 - 07/19/17 09:43 AM Re: Officially Switching To Fram. [Re: Panzerman]
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Originally Posted By: Panzerman
Originally Posted By: AirgunSavant
Being faithful to a product is not an indication that it is or was a quality product.

Usually it is actually.
A product has followers because usually it's good. If it gets good results more people use it though word of mouth and results.
Examples are Marvel Mystery Oil v.s Slick 50.
If people had good results with Slick 50. It would be selling. Product lines have to keep their customers happy though and Purolator failed miserably.

I knew a rep that would come by my office who had a suburban with 350k miles and he claimed it was slick 50 that did it.
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#4463771 - 07/19/17 09:44 AM Re: Officially Switching To Fram. [Re: Panzerman]
Stelth Offline


Registered: 02/24/11
Posts: 2030
Loc: California
I've used a ton of Fram orange cans, and cut open quite a few. Some looked pretty ugly, but none appeared to have failed. Still, Rock Auto has pretty good prices on Wix, and Fram TG and XG, so I'm leaning in that direction. I've cut open a couple of Purolators that looked fine, but then I cut open a Pure One and it was torn. No need to buy Puro's with so many other options available.
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#4463775 - 07/19/17 09:47 AM Re: Officially Switching To Fram. [Re: Panzerman]
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Registered: 09/25/04
Posts: 7147
Loc: Marshfield , MA
I'm fine with STP filters in the BMW and the Rat.
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#4463915 - 07/19/17 12:01 PM Re: Officially Switching To Fram. [Re: Panzerman]
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Registered: 07/14/17
Posts: 22
Loc: MN, USA
The ultra is decent but the orange and silver Fram filters would still be last filters I'd ever want to put onto my cars due to the fact the quality/construction is just so much different and probably cheaper compared to other filters.


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#4463960 - 07/19/17 12:55 PM Re: Officially Switching To Fram. [Re: Panzerman]
demarpaint Offline


Registered: 07/03/05
Posts: 29767
Loc: NY
Welcome aboard. Purolator lost my business years ago, and they won't be getting it back. No need for me to spend money knowing of the problems, then hoping my filter didn't tear when it's time to change it. I work hard for my money, I'll spend it on a better product, from a company that cares more about quality.
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#4463983 - 07/19/17 01:15 PM Re: Officially Switching To Fram. [Re: demarpaint]
Kira Offline


Registered: 08/19/10
Posts: 5238
Loc: Champlain/Hudson Valley
Said it before and it must be said again......

Love dissecting filters but NO ONE ever addresses the GLARING point that assessing the quality of the media is NEVER done.

You can describe the construction details and apparent quality but that's about it.

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#4463987 - 07/19/17 01:20 PM Re: Officially Switching To Fram. [Re: Kira]
demarpaint Offline


Registered: 07/03/05
Posts: 29767
Loc: NY
Originally Posted By: Kira
Said it before and it must be said again......

Love dissecting filters but NO ONE ever addresses the GLARING point that assessing the quality of the media is NEVER done.

You can describe the construction details and apparent quality but that's about it.


True, but a tear is a tear, top quality media or not.
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#4463997 - 07/19/17 01:26 PM Re: Officially Switching To Fram. [Re: Panzerman]
Panzerman Offline


Registered: 12/16/06
Posts: 4203
Loc: Port Orange, Florida
The media material isn't a issue with me because I run short oil change intervals. 3,000 mile to 5,000 mile.
Really every 6 months and since I have a company vehicle my personal sometimes don't even get 3,000 miles so any media will take that.
It's when you start 1 year/10,000 mile oil changes that media even matters at all.
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