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#4463503 - 07/19/17 03:42 AM Little or no roundabouts in the U.S?
FordCapriDriver Offline


Registered: 10/22/15
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Loc: Balearic Islands , Spain
How many roundabouts do you know of in your immediate area, why are they so uncommon in the U.S? i much MUCH prefer roundabouts to intersections.
Anyway here is an interesting video on Traffic : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4PW66_g6XA
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#4463507 - 07/19/17 04:01 AM Re: Little or no roundabouts in the U.S? [Re: FordCapriDriver]
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Registered: 10/06/13
Posts: 793
Loc: Youngstown, NY
none in my immediate area (small village)

but they are starting to become more common in other areas.

I prefer them to 4 way stops or traffic lights.
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#4463508 - 07/19/17 04:12 AM Re: Little or no roundabouts in the U.S? [Re: FordCapriDriver]
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Registered: 12/12/02
Posts: 39912
Loc: 'Stralia
Having grown up in Canberra Australia, which is the roundabout capital of the world, the 4 way stop is infinitely more civilised...get there first, and it's your turn.

The roundabout can be manipulated to give preferential flow to posh rather than feeder suburbs...we had one intersection where a posh suburb had to give right of way to 4 feeder suburbs onto one of the main roads. Usually 4 cars waiting for a gap.

By installing a "fair" roundabout, they ended up with two streams of traffic banked a half mile back, and the posh suburb cars would sail around, one now, one in 10 seconds, another in 12...always moving, and the feeders always blocked.

IF you make the roundabout large (like Bathurst has recently done with their new arrangements, they ARE fair...but if you take a typical suburban situation, the planners can and will use them to suit their more affluent subdivisions.

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#4463509 - 07/19/17 04:15 AM Re: Little or no roundabouts in the U.S? [Re: FordCapriDriver]
Jimkobb Offline


Registered: 09/14/13
Posts: 541
Loc: indiana
Actually quite a few around here.
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#4463513 - 07/19/17 04:24 AM Re: Little or no roundabouts in the U.S? [Re: FordCapriDriver]
Merkava_4 Offline


Registered: 01/30/07
Posts: 17501
Loc: Clovis, CA
There's a couple in town. One is by a university and the other is at a strip mall. I don't like them.

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#4463518 - 07/19/17 04:39 AM Re: Little or no roundabouts in the U.S? [Re: FordCapriDriver]
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Registered: 03/04/17
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Loc: Soviet State of Washington
Lots in my neck of the woods. Shannow makes a good point. I know of a couple of roundabouts that would have been better served by lights or stop signs. Too much traffic. Most here are around school zones so they do work keeping speeds down but clog up the streets when schools open and close.
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#4463525 - 07/19/17 04:51 AM Re: Little or no roundabouts in the U.S? [Re: FordCapriDriver]
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Registered: 07/26/03
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Loc: New Zealand
We didn't have have many, now they are everywhere. I grew up on one of the biggest in the country, so learnt how to be aggressive on them at an early age. One in another suburb I lived in for years has gone, they blocked off the 5th road and put in a set of lights. I go through 2 everyday to get to work, one each end of the bridge.

People moan about indicating on roundabouts, but I don't see the problem. I ride a motorcycle, I don't look at indicators, I look at the driver and car - I know where they are going even if their indicator says they are going somewhere else.
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#4463526 - 07/19/17 04:52 AM Re: Little or no roundabouts in the U.S? [Re: FordCapriDriver]
Falcon_LS Offline


Registered: 10/03/08
Posts: 4054
Loc: Kuwait
Glad there aren't many traffic circles in the U.S. Stop signs work better IMO.

A ton of traffic circles here and accidents all over the place, because people cannot comprehend a concept as basic as right of way. They just drive right into it and some poor soul at the traffic circle ends up paying the price. Then of course, you have the "drifters".
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#4463527 - 07/19/17 04:53 AM Re: Little or no roundabouts in the U.S? [Re: FordCapriDriver]
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Registered: 10/09/11
Posts: 5051
Loc: USA
The towns around here seem to drool over the idea of using them....I guess it brings a Euro flavor to the area.Frankly,I saw no issues with the 4 way stops.These brick lined behemoths are real fun in the winter when they haven't been plowed.

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#4463528 - 07/19/17 04:56 AM Re: Little or no roundabouts in the U.S? [Re: FordCapriDriver]
Carmudgeon Offline


Registered: 04/26/05
Posts: 539
Loc: Under the hood
Few enough so that drivers don't know how to navigate them.

Just yesterday, as I reached the entrance to one and stopped waiting to enter, a driver already in the roundabout then stopped and yielded to me.

As for four-way stops being more civilised...some are completely ignorant, or just disregard the "first" rule, or "ties go the driver on the right" rule.

I've seen extreme cases where drivers who stop 25 ft behind the intersection think that because they've slowed down and stopped "first", they're entitled to proceed ahead of all others who have presented themselves AT the intersection and have stopped.

Then there are two who "ride the coattails" of the driver on front of them, stop together in tandem, and consider that good enough to obey the sign...

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#4463532 - 07/19/17 05:07 AM Re: Little or no roundabouts in the U.S? [Re: FordCapriDriver]
Claud Offline


Registered: 02/11/14
Posts: 593
Loc: Margate England
The only place I came across with roundabouts in Texas was Waco. I may be way out of date by now.
In the UK we have a problem ith European drivers not understanding the "Yield to the right" rule, basically whoever is already on the roundabout has right of way. Don't get confused, we drive on the left here!.
Properly designed and used, roundabouts are a great help in easing traffic flow, but if you are used to four way stop junctions then I see why it can cause confusion.

Claud.

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#4463533 - 07/19/17 05:11 AM Re: Little or no roundabouts in the U.S? [Re: FordCapriDriver]
bubbatime Offline


Registered: 03/18/08
Posts: 5627
Loc: South Florida
My community just installed like 6 of them on a road that shouldn't have them. Small intersecting roads with very light traffic. So now instead of just a straight shot at 45-50mph, you now have to slow down to 15 mph every mile to negotiate the circle, then waste gas speeding up to 50, only to slow back down to 15mph again, times 6. It was super annoying to find that they ruined this road in this manner. Idiots.

Circles are good for high volume intersections. Not so much for intersections that might see a car coming every 15 minutes from one direction.
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#4463534 - 07/19/17 05:11 AM Re: Little or no roundabouts in the U.S? [Re: FordCapriDriver]
umungus1122 Offline


Registered: 02/12/08
Posts: 1063
Loc: PA
Lots of circles in NJ. Personally, I don't care for them.
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#4463539 - 07/19/17 05:33 AM Re: Little or no roundabouts in the U.S? [Re: umungus1122]
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Registered: 09/14/10
Posts: 161
Loc: Gonzales, La.
Have 2 new ones within 5 miles. If people knew how to use them, things would be better.
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#4463553 - 07/19/17 05:53 AM Re: Little or no roundabouts in the U.S? [Re: SwampDweller]
Kira Offline


Registered: 08/19/10
Posts: 5257
Loc: Champlain/Hudson Valley
When I was younger, say 30-35 years ago, there was a campaign to remove them.

Find Rt. 23 on a New Jersey map and it was nothing but circles as it wend it way into the hills.
Increasing development brought traffic and the lazy circles had to go.

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