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Hondas, Toyotas and the brainwashed #4463190
07/18/17 06:59 PM
07/18/17 06:59 PM
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fdcg27 Offline OP
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A co-worker is looking for a used car for her daughter.
I noted that some of the Toyota and Scion models she was looking at had serious potential oil consumption problems and that the Hondas could have their issues as well.
I suggested that she look at Ford Focus and Fusion models and she reacted with horror.
A Ford? Those aren't any good!
I told her that she was seriously misguided as to the excellence of late model used Toys and Hondas and that in my personal experience the Focus is a solid car and the Fusion also holds up very well from what I've read. I went on to tell her that the old Tauruses in our fleet at work have been great out to about 200K and that both the '97 Aerostar we bought new and the old E350 I paid $900.00 for were very solid vehicles.
People seemed to be stuck in the nineties when it comes to their opinions on what vehicles are good and reliable.
The evidence that later Hondas and Toyotas aren't all that is readily available as is the evidence that many more recent American nameplate vehicles are very good.
I also suggested that she consider late models Hyudai/Kia cars. They're dirt cheap used just as they were dirt cheap new. They typically also have a lot of toys for the buck and if they don't have the greatest driving dynamics that won't matter to any young lady.
These Korean makes seem to be pretty durable and reliable save for the occasional thrown rod in some recent engines, but most of those have had their engines junked and replaced under warranty by now.


17 Forester 18K VME 0W-20
12 Accord LX 92K PP 5W-20
09 Forester 95K M1HM 10W-30
01 Focus ZX3 118K PP 5W-20
96 Accord LX 104K T5 10W-30
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Re: Hondas, Toyotas and the brainwashed [Re: fdcg27] #4463197
07/18/17 07:05 PM
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Given my and other's experiences with Ford, especially engines and transmissions, I don't see anything wrong with her opinion. After my Taurus experience, it'll be a cold day in you-know-where before I buy another Ford. My cousins go through Cadillac and Lincoln engines like I change oil. Best friend F150 ejected a spark plug on the drive home. Don't get me started on Chrysler products (including my own).

Also my Honda and my Toyota seem totally unafraid of being stereotyped by their stereotypically ultra-reliable behavior.

Queue typical, ultimately useless thread full of anecdotes (like mine) and opinions.

Let her buy what she wants, and then you won't be to blame when it all blows up.

Re: Hondas, Toyotas and the brainwashed [Re: fdcg27] #4463202
07/18/17 07:11 PM
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I had issues with an '05 Focus. Friends and coworkers have had issues with other American brands that were pretty bad. The only import I've known someone to have significant issues with was back in '04, when an ex drove a new Civic SI on the same oil until the engine seized 40k+ later.

I've personally had issues with past subarus, but most were software issues on new models (I know) and not systemic, pervasive quality issues.

Anyway, I'll take some oil consumption over things falling apart and failing.


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Re: Hondas, Toyotas and the brainwashed [Re: fdcg27] #4463206
07/18/17 07:15 PM
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Check here...

http://www.dashboard-light.com/

Plenty of data on the long-term reliability of used cars.

Re: Hondas, Toyotas and the brainwashed [Re: fdcg27] #4463209
07/18/17 07:19 PM
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My brother was a hardcore Honda guy. Owned 3 or 4 at a time. Even he has moved on from newer Hondas. Some people need it to happen to them before they believe something.


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Re: Hondas, Toyotas and the brainwashed [Re: fdcg27] #4463210
07/18/17 07:19 PM
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Somewhere
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I dono. If the ads are to be believed, Ford has the most loyal buyers. We've generally had good service out of ours.

Quote:
Check here...

http://www.dashboard-light.com/

Plenty of data on the long-term reliability of used cars.


That'a a half baked study on "issues with cars at auction". So the junk the dealer doesn't want....

Last edited by itguy08; 07/18/17 07:21 PM.
Re: Hondas, Toyotas and the brainwashed [Re: HangFire] #4463214
07/18/17 07:22 PM
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fdcg27 Offline OP
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We've had nine Hondas thus far and all have been very good cars but not everyone has had this experience.
Our '97 Aerostar was easily as reliable and trouble-free as any Honda out to thirteen years and 175K.
Our fleet Tauruses at work have been very solid.
YMMV
The uninformed seem to think that anything wearing a Honda or Toyota badge must be wonderful while nothing could be further from the truth.
There are lots of good cars out there that are neither Hondas nor Toyotas.


17 Forester 18K VME 0W-20
12 Accord LX 92K PP 5W-20
09 Forester 95K M1HM 10W-30
01 Focus ZX3 118K PP 5W-20
96 Accord LX 104K T5 10W-30
95 318i
Re: Hondas, Toyotas and the brainwashed [Re: fdcg27] #4463226
07/18/17 07:44 PM
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I'll stick with my 80s Chryslers.I get the last laugh when practically all the Mazdas,Subarus,Hondas,Isuzus,Toyotas,Datsuns....from that era are nearly extinct from the roads.Think any of todays cars will last 30 years? Don't think so...

Re: Hondas, Toyotas and the brainwashed [Re: NHGUY] #4463228
07/18/17 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted By: NHGUY
I'll stick with my 80s Chryslers.I get the last laugh when practically all the Mazdas,Subarus,Hondas,Isuzus,Toyotas,Datsuns....from that era are nearly extinct from the roads.Think any of todays cars will last 30 years? Don't think so...


6 more years, and my ciera will be there.


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Re: Hondas, Toyotas and the brainwashed [Re: fdcg27] #4463253
07/18/17 08:14 PM
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Nothing from the Big 2 excites me. All the car makers get their parts from the same handful of manufacturers. What may decide quality or the perception of quality is the place of assembly. Most Japanese brands are assembled in the USA now as are brands from Korea and Europe. Another factor is how automated the assembly line is.

In the 90's, I could compare a Mitsubishi assembled in Normal Illinois and another assembled in Japan. The difference was astounding. Why? A number of reasons including don't care attitudes, drugs and alcohol, and a slew of others. I hope we have gotten better in the 20-30 years since.


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Re: Hondas, Toyotas and the brainwashed [Re: fdcg27] #4463264
07/18/17 08:20 PM
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I've bought two NEW Japanese cars in my life....1992 Honda Accord & a 2010 Toyota Corolla, Nothing but problems with both.
The Accord didn't make it to 100,000 miles on 2 Automatic Transmissions though the dealer warranted the first 2, I rebuilt the 3rd myself & sold that POS.
I fixed the massive oil leak on the Toyota after Corporate & the Dealer blew me off even though I complained several times before the powertrain warranty expired.


NEVER again! Got my eye on a low mileage 2006 Buick Lucerne with a Northstar/4T80E.....I could buy this car & rebuild the engine & trans for less than I have in the purchase price+taxes of the Toyota. That is just sad!


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2006 Chevy 2500HD LBZ/Allison 1000
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Re: Hondas, Toyotas and the brainwashed [Re: fdcg27] #4463272
07/18/17 08:25 PM
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I don't blame people who have been personally burned one way or the other with a particular make.


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Re: Hondas, Toyotas and the brainwashed [Re: fdcg27] #4463277
07/18/17 08:30 PM
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Why would anyone recommend a Ford over a Toyota or Honda? What did this lady ever do to you?


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Re: Hondas, Toyotas and the brainwashed [Re: HangFire] #4463279
07/18/17 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted By: HangFire
Given my and other's experiences with Ford, especially engines and transmissions, I don't see anything wrong with her opinion. After my Taurus experience, it'll be a cold day in you-know-where before I buy another Ford. My cousins go through Cadillac and Lincoln engines like I change oil. Best friend F150 ejected a spark plug on the drive home. Don't get me started on Chrysler products (including my own).

Also my Honda and my Toyota seem totally unafraid of being stereotyped by their stereotypically ultra-reliable behavior.

Queue typical, ultimately useless thread full of anecdotes (like mine) and opinions.

Let her buy what she wants, and then you won't be to blame when it all blows up.


Well said.


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1998 Nissan Frontier XE 2.4L, Castrol GTX HM 5W-30, M1 filter
Re: Hondas, Toyotas and the brainwashed [Re: fdcg27] #4463324
07/18/17 09:10 PM
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I guess it all depends. All the fords we had growing up were good vehicles. Still have one. My sisters focus has been good. She got it with 80k miles and it now has 160k. It needs motor mounts bad. Thats about it. My boss swore his son's taurus was going to explode once it reached 100k. His other son still drives it. My brothers land cruiser was a beast and his 1993 accord was a great car. My dad's chevy tahoe from 1998 was a total piece. Some are good some are bad.


1984 Mercedes-Benz 300SD - 100k
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