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0w20 Valvoline HM Full Syn, 5000mi, '07 Ram 1500 #4462266
07/17/17 08:36 PM
07/17/17 08:36 PM
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Indian Valley, Virginia
Sleepeyes Offline OP
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2007 Ram 1500
3.7l V6 (iron block, aluminum heads)
135,000 miles at time of sample, 5000mi interval

Did the analysis to see if I can extend the interval. Going to send a sample off at 7k to see where I am and if all is good try and get to 10k.

I did see that my silicon and sodium are higher than average. Wondering if it is time for a new air filter?
Blackstone said no sign of anti-freeze or water so could the sodium be from the additive package?

Code:
OIL             Valvoline HM FS 0w20
MILES IN USE    5k          
MILES           135k      
SAMPLE TAKEN    7/6/17  

ALUMINUM        2                
CHROMIUM        1                
IRON            15              
COPPER          5              
LEAD            0              
TIN             0                
MOLYBDENUM      4               
NICKEL          1               
MANGANESE       0                
SILVER          0                
TITANIUM        0                
POTASSIUM       2               
BORON           2               
SILICON         14                
SODIUM          284              
CALCIUM         1917          
MAGNESIUM       11            
PHOSPHORUS      567            
ZINC            676          
BARIUM          0 
SUS VIS 210F   54.3 
cSt @ 100C     8.57
FLASHPOINT F   415
FUEL %          <0.5%
ANTIFREEZE %    0.0%
WATER %         0.0%
INSOLUBLES      0.2%           
WATER           0                
TBN             2.9


~~
2007 Ram 1500; 3.7l; 6spd; 2wd; Valvoline 0w-20 HM; M1 Filter
GF's 2003 VW Bug; 2.0l; auto; SuperTech 20w-50 w/~2qt of Warren 5w-30; Fram Filter
Re: 0w20 Valvoline HM Full Syn, 5000mi, '07 Ram 1500 [Re: Sleepeyes] #4462271
07/17/17 08:42 PM
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Jacksonville, FL
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A second good looking UOA today on Valvoline synthetic. I see no reason to be concerned with going to a 7-7.5k OCI and perhaps beyond. Additional analysis will show of 10k is possible. I suspect it will be.


Luke
P-3C and P-8A Maritime Weapons and Tactics Instructor, Instructor Tactical Coordinator and Mission Commander
Re: 0w20 Valvoline HM Full Syn, 5000mi, '07 Ram 1500 [Re: Sleepeyes] #4462296
07/17/17 09:15 PM
07/17/17 09:15 PM
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Mid-Tenn
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The sodium is part of the add pack so, nothing to worry about. Silicon is a little high so, you probably should replace the air filter. Nice report!!

Re: 0w20 Valvoline HM Full Syn, 5000mi, '07 Ram 1500 [Re: Sleepeyes] #4462428
07/18/17 01:17 AM
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5000 miles and TBN = 2.9 with 15 ppm Iron and still in grade with KV100 = 8.57 cSt

Good report and still lots of life left in the oil.


Penrite Vantage 10W40 SN & A3/B4 + Wesfil-Cooper Z154
Re: 0w20 Valvoline HM Full Syn, '07 Ram 1500 [Re: Sleepeyes] #4527409
09/27/17 09:27 AM
09/27/17 09:27 AM
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Indian Valley, Virginia
Sleepeyes Offline OP
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*update*
So in general I think the higher copper, and higher metals all around, is from how I drew the sample I sent off (did not drain and replace). I used some small diameter air hose to siphon out of the dipstick tube to get the sample. Since it was a cold sample and the tube was probably hitting the bottom of the pan...I think I got all the dregs at the bottom that they tell you not to send in (supposed to pull the sample from the middle of the oil drain is the way I understand it). Won't know for sure until the 10k sample though.

Silicon is still high despite the new air filter. I inspected all of the tubing and such and there are no leaks. I think it is just that I really am driving through a lot of fine dirt dust everyday. Gravel roads near my house, and never ending road construction on the highway. I'm not super worried at this point.


Code:
OIL             Valvoline HM FS 0w20
MILES IN USE    5k          7.5k
MILES           135k        142.5
SAMPLE TAKEN    7/6/17      9/14/17

ALUMINUM        2           3     
CHROMIUM        1           1     
IRON            15          18    
COPPER          5           12   
LEAD            0           0  
TIN             0           0     
MOLYBDENUM      4           4    
NICKEL          1           1    
MANGANESE       0           0     
SILVER          0           0     
TITANIUM        0           0     
POTASSIUM       2           3    
BORON           2           3    
SILICON         14          18      
SODIUM          284         376     
CALCIUM         1917        2256  
MAGNESIUM       11          12  
PHOSPHORUS      567         655   
ZINC            676         802 
BARIUM          0           0
SUS VIS 210F   54.3        56.3
cSt @ 100C     8.57        9.14
FLASHPOINT F   415         410
FUEL %          <0.5%       <0.5%
ANTIFREEZE %    0.0%        0.0%
WATER %         0.0%        0.0%
INSOLUBLES      0.2%        0.2%                   
TBN             2.9         2.7


~~
2007 Ram 1500; 3.7l; 6spd; 2wd; Valvoline 0w-20 HM; M1 Filter
GF's 2003 VW Bug; 2.0l; auto; SuperTech 20w-50 w/~2qt of Warren 5w-30; Fram Filter
Re: 0w20 Valvoline HM Full Syn, '07 Ram 1500 [Re: Sleepeyes] #4527578
09/27/17 12:58 PM
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Virginia
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Thanks for the update....2500 miles longer and the TBN barely budged - very nice. If gravel roads are involved, you're silicon looks fine - 18ppm in 7.5k is acceptable IMO. Valvoline delivers again.


92 Suburban 2500 7.4L 58k M1_0w40 5yr OCI
99 Olds Aurora 4.0L 91K M1_5w30 5yr OCI
13 Dodge Dart 2.0L 30k PP 0w20 OLM OCI
70 Camaro 5.7L 59k
Re: 0w20 Valvoline HM Full Syn, '07 Ram 1500 [Re: Sleepeyes] #4562761
11/03/17 07:50 AM
11/03/17 07:50 AM
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Indian Valley, Virginia
Sleepeyes Offline OP
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*Update*
So last time I thought the high copper was just me drawing from the bottom of the pan for the sample...now I am very confused confused

Oil is the same fill as the 7.5k sample

Code:
OIL             Valvoline HM FS 0w20
MILES IN USE    5k          7.5k         10k
MILES           135k        142.5k       145k
SAMPLE TAKEN    7/6/17      9/14/17      10/25/17

ALUMINUM        2           3            4
CHROMIUM        1           1            1
IRON            15          18           26
COPPER          5           12           36
LEAD            0           0            0
TIN             0           0            0
MOLYBDENUM      4           4            5
NICKEL          1           1            1
MANGANESE       0           0            0
SILVER          0           0            0
TITANIUM        0           0            0
POTASSIUM       2           3            4
BORON           2           3            2
SILICON         14          18           12
SODIUM          284         376          334
CALCIUM         1917        2256         1705
MAGNESIUM       11          12           10
PHOSPHORUS      567         655          533
ZINC            676         802          614
BARIUM          0           0            0
SUS VIS 210F   54.3        56.3         58.9
cSt @ 100C     8.57        9.14         9.90
FLASHPOINT F   415         410          395
FUEL %          <0.5%       <0.5%        <0.5%
ANTIFREEZE %    0.0%        0.0%         0.0%
WATER %         0.0%        0.0%         0.0%
INSOLUBLES      0.2%        0.2%         0.3%      
TBN             2.9         2.7          2.7


They way I understand it copper is only an issue if there is other wear metals in unusually high amounts. Other wear metals are at normal ranges for the mileage on the oil. I also read that if the oil gets acidic then it can pull copper from the oil cooler, but wouldn't the TBN have to be low for that to happen?
Actually what is up with the TBN not changing? Is that normal?

To be honest I'm not sure what to make of the results. I'm going to do another sample at 7-7.5k and see what that turns up but would like to hear any thoughts.


~~
2007 Ram 1500; 3.7l; 6spd; 2wd; Valvoline 0w-20 HM; M1 Filter
GF's 2003 VW Bug; 2.0l; auto; SuperTech 20w-50 w/~2qt of Warren 5w-30; Fram Filter
Re: 0w20 Valvoline HM Full Syn, '07 Ram 1500 [Re: Sleepeyes] #4562781
11/03/17 08:16 AM
11/03/17 08:16 AM
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Your iron wear is fine, your TBN is steady - it depletes slower as it gets lower (so I've heard). But what catches my eye is that the KV100 viscosity is increasing and the flash point is decreasing.

It started off as a 20 grade oil, but with KV100 = 9.9 cSt it's now a 30 grade oil. Is this oxidative thickening ?


Penrite Vantage 10W40 SN & A3/B4 + Wesfil-Cooper Z154
Re: 0w20 Valvoline HM Full Syn, '07 Ram 1500 [Re: SR5] #4562816
11/03/17 09:07 AM
11/03/17 09:07 AM
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Indian Valley, Virginia
Sleepeyes Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: SR5
Your iron wear is fine, your TBN is steady - it depletes slower as it gets lower (so I've heard). But what catches my eye is that the KV100 viscosity is increasing and the flash point is decreasing.

It started off as a 20 grade oil, but with KV100 = 9.9 cSt it's now a 30 grade oil. Is this oxidative thickening ?


What is oxidative thickening? Well really what does that mean in application (I gather that it is the hydrocarbons oxidizing or somesuch)?

If I remember the owners manual correctly 5w30 and 5w20 are both recommended for the engine. I go 0w20 due to availability (it wasn't commonly available when this engine was produced but others have had good results using it in the 3.7l).


~~
2007 Ram 1500; 3.7l; 6spd; 2wd; Valvoline 0w-20 HM; M1 Filter
GF's 2003 VW Bug; 2.0l; auto; SuperTech 20w-50 w/~2qt of Warren 5w-30; Fram Filter

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