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New Shop Oil #4461669
07/17/17 11:30 AM
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Alabama, United States
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Federated Auto Parts Heavy Duty 30. Made by Amalie out of Tampa, Florida. Interestingly, Amalie uses the old Witco Kendall/Amalie part numbering system. I'm probably going to start using this oil in the Roadmaster and keep my old spec GT-1 as a keepsake.


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'15 Chevy Cruze
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Re: New Shop Oil [Re: Red91] #4461675
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The old Amalie/Kendall numbering system was 527-xxxx for quarts,539-**** for gallons,608-xxxx for 5 gallons.Not the 160-xxxxx numbering system used today.

Re: New Shop Oil [Re: NHGUY] #4461778
07/17/17 12:59 PM
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The numbering system on the case is 527-xxxx. thumbsup


'89 Chevy 1500
Supertech 20/50
'15 Chevy Cruze
AcDelco syn dexos 5/30
Re: New Shop Oil [Re: Red91] #4461787
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Shop oil? For what, mowers? I would be leery of a shop that used that in a modern auto engine.


17 Chrysler Pacifica Mobil 1 5W30
13 Yamaha XT250 Valv MC 10W40
12 Suzuki S40 Rotella 15W40
10 Acura TSX 2.4 PZL Plat 5W30
06 GMC Sierra Nextgen 10W30


Re: New Shop Oil [Re: bubbatime] #4461872
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Originally Posted By: bubbatime
Shop oil? For what, mowers? I would be leery of a shop that used that in a modern auto engine.


+1000

10w30 or 5w30 would be BETTER choice wink


09' Camry LE, 141,020 miles

PP 5w30 and TG 4967
Re: New Shop Oil [Re: Red91] #4461938
07/17/17 02:56 PM
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You would be leary of a shop that uses an API SN SAE 30 oil in classic cars, beaters, and work vehicles that get run dry between oil changes?

I have multigrades available in semi and full synthetic for newer stuff.


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Re: New Shop Oil [Re: Red91] #4461939
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I'm sure in the summertime in the South that straight 30 would be fine in cars spec'd for 5w30 or 10w30.

"Cold" starts in the morning usually around 75-80 F. Afternoon 90-105F. The engine is warm even before you start it.


2012 Hyundai Sonata GLS 6MT 2.4GDI, ProDS 10w30, XG9688 filter, 2018 Mitsubishi Outlander SEL 2.4 CVT, Factory fill still.
Re: New Shop Oil [Re: Red91] #4461970
07/17/17 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted By: Red91
You would be leary of a shop that uses an API SN SAE 30 oil in classic cars, beaters, and work vehicles that get run dry between oil changes?

I have multigrades available in semi and full synthetic for newer stuff.


Alabama gets significantly colder than where I live in the winter (seriously). SAE30 is fine for summer. What if they dont drive much, and end up with that oil in the winter? Yes it has its applications, but they are few and far between. Like mowers, antique (parade) cars, etc. Beater work truck? 15W40 would be a better choice. Beater car? 10W30 or 10W40 would be a better choice. I LOVE me some beaters, and have owned plenty of them in my lifetime. In fact, at 34 years old, I have owned over 30 cars, many of them ultra beaters that cost $100. I would be EXTREMELY disappointed in a shop and calling it unprofessional if they installed SAE30 in any car I have ever driven. And this is coming from a guy that had his own small engine shop and did hundreds of oil changes per year. A professional shop uses what the auto manufacturer calls for, unless the customer requests otherwise. Yes, even in beaters. Classic cars are another thing.


17 Chrysler Pacifica Mobil 1 5W30
13 Yamaha XT250 Valv MC 10W40
12 Suzuki S40 Rotella 15W40
10 Acura TSX 2.4 PZL Plat 5W30
06 GMC Sierra Nextgen 10W30


Re: New Shop Oil [Re: Brons2] #4461973
07/17/17 03:38 PM
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You also have to consider that most modern monograde 30 oils pass cold flow test for 15W, without using VII's. So really by using a straight 30wt you are using a superior product to any 5W or 10W-30 conventional.

Monogrades have entered the 21st century just like their multigrade counterparts.


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'15 Chevy Cruze
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Re: New Shop Oil [Re: Red91] #4461976
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It wouldn't surprise me a bit that this SAE 30 is just 10w30 in an SAE 30 jug. Even if it's not I wouldn't be surprised if it still passed the w requirements for 15w anyway. What's not to like about an SAE 30/40/50? Shear stability is probably outstanding probably low NOACK as well. I currently have VWB SAE30 in my 4Runner and ran PYB SAE 30 in my Lexus ES330 for 5,515 miles. UOA for the Lexus was delivered to Blackstone today.


Luke
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Re: New Shop Oil [Re: bubbatime] #4461982
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Originally Posted By: bubbatime
Shop oil? For what, mowers? I would be leery of a shop that used that in a modern auto engine.


Dude?!? *You* live in Florida.... he's in ALABAMA!

Why are you hatin' when it never gets cold in either location? (don't tell me 40*F is cold, either)

It's SN oil..... What more do you WANT?


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: New Shop Oil [Re: Linctex] #4461989
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Originally Posted By: Linctex
It's SN oil..... What more do you WANT?


I want oil change shops to be professional. Part of that is running the viscosity oil that the manufacturer calls for, unless the owner request otherwise. Sure its Alabama. Does it not drop into the teens and twenties in Alabama? What if that customers car ends up in a North Dakota oil field a few months later? The customer in that case would have been let down by this shop, by installing an incorrect viscosity oil, probably without the customers consent.

I am WELL aware that SAE30 is fine for summer in Florida and Alabama. Cars have a tendency to travel. Can we be certain that it wont ever travel north? Or in winter?


17 Chrysler Pacifica Mobil 1 5W30
13 Yamaha XT250 Valv MC 10W40
12 Suzuki S40 Rotella 15W40
10 Acura TSX 2.4 PZL Plat 5W30
06 GMC Sierra Nextgen 10W30


Re: New Shop Oil [Re: FlyNavyP3] #4462054
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You know Amalie is a reputable company right?


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'15 Chevy Cruze
AcDelco syn dexos 5/30
Re: New Shop Oil [Re: bubbatime] #4462088
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Originally Posted By: bubbatime
let down by this shop, by installing an incorrect viscosity oil, probably without the customers consent.


I don't see anywhere that he says it's put in cars "without the customer's consent"?!?


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: New Shop Oil [Re: Red91] #4462095
07/17/17 05:39 PM
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I'm going to have to believe bubbatime on this one. If I was stupid enough to put SAE 30 in one of our 2500 Chevy trucks, I'd be fired on the spot. I have used 10w30 and continue to use 5w30 also in my car.


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