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Magnetic drain plug failure. #4460753
07/16/17 09:39 AM
07/16/17 09:39 AM
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Vladiator Offline OP
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Long story short - cheap magnetic drain plug from Amazon failed after 8 oil changes. Lost all oil in the oil pan.

Details:
I bought a magnetic drain plug from Amazon, but seems like it is made from a very soft metal that failed fairly quickly. I was out of state. On a straight and empty road I heard my engine getting gradually louder and oil light came on. Immediately I put the car in neutral, shut off the ignition, and coasted to the shoulder. Upon inspection I saw that the drain plug freed itself and got lost at some point, so all the oil drained out. As some of you remember - I had Mobil 15w50 in the sump. (more info here:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4457582/Re:_Mobil_15w50_in_0w20_engine#Post4457582) I was far away from my stash, so could not top it off with more 15w50. So I requested an Uber to the closest AutoZone and bought 5qts of STP 0w20 and STP Extended Life oil filter, along with a new drain plug. Then Ubered back to my Scion on the side of the road. Put the new drain plug in, and added 4qts of 0w20. That got it to the FULL line. Full capacity is 4.7qts, so I guess not all of the oil drained out. Left the old filter on the engine.
Started the vehicle, no abnormal noises were noticed. After a few minutes I checked the oil level again and it was still on the full line. Then I returned the extra quart and oil filter back to AutoZone as I did not need it anymore. So I finished my trip without any more issues, and learned my lesson - never buy cheap magnetic drain plugs again. Oh and always have a set of tools in your car. My small toolcase saved my and many of my friends' cars multiple times.
In other thread I promised to do a UOA of 15w50 after 7k miles, but obviously that wont happen now. I will however do a UOA in 5k-7k miles on this fill of .7qt of 15w50 and 4qts of STP 0w20 synthetic to see how the oil loss affected the engine. I am glad that I had 15w50 in the engine, because as we know - oils with higher viscosity form a thicker film on engine surfaces. Hopefully that myth will be confirmed in my case. A UOA will show I guess.

Enjoy your Sunday!!!


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Re: Magnetic drain plug failure. [Re: Vladiator] #4460756
07/16/17 09:45 AM
07/16/17 09:45 AM
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NY
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That sucks. I have one here from PB I was planning on using next OCI in my Liberty. I might scrap that idea.


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Re: Magnetic drain plug failure. [Re: Vladiator] #4460758
07/16/17 09:47 AM
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Vladiator Offline OP
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This is the drain plug that failed.
Upstream M12x1.25mm Magnetic Oil Drain Plug for Infiniti, Lexus, Nissan, Scion, and Toyota(Red) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B017SV5C9W/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apap_ogZywjeQ9XEMe


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2006 Toyota Highlander Hybrid-125k
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Re: Magnetic drain plug failure. [Re: Vladiator] #4460764
07/16/17 09:52 AM
07/16/17 09:52 AM
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Texas
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Bummer - they made it look better than it is. I'm using a couple Gold Plugs but kept OEM plugs stashed in the vehicle or tool box on my truck

Re: Magnetic drain plug failure. [Re: Vladiator] #4460787
07/16/17 10:14 AM
07/16/17 10:14 AM
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Waco, TX
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Do you really expect us to believe a steel drain plug, TORQUED TO THE PROPER SPEC, loosened itself?!?!?!!?


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Re: Magnetic drain plug failure. [Re: Vladiator] #4460788
07/16/17 10:14 AM
07/16/17 10:14 AM
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Virginia Beach
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"Freed itself and got lost" doesn't sound like a part failure...

Sounds more like a problem with the installation...particularly the torque...


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Re: Magnetic drain plug failure. [Re: Astro14] #4460791
07/16/17 10:17 AM
07/16/17 10:17 AM
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South Florida
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Originally Posted By: Astro14
"Freed itself and got lost" doesn't sound like a part failure...

Sounds more like a problem with the installation...particularly the torque...


Bingo. Most likely the plug was not torqued properly, but it's always easier to blame the part than ones self.


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Re: Magnetic drain plug failure. [Re: Vladiator] #4460794
07/16/17 10:19 AM
07/16/17 10:19 AM
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Ruidoso, NM USA
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It fell out? Is that a "plug failure"...or failure to instal properly?

If that plug was put in by a quick lube shop who would you blame?


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Re: Magnetic drain plug failure. [Re: Astro14] #4460795
07/16/17 10:21 AM
07/16/17 10:21 AM
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British Columbia, Canada
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The plug itself was aluminum (looks like it had a magnet glued into it). I'm not sure I'd trust an aluminum drain plug.


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Re: Magnetic drain plug failure. [Re: Vladiator] #4460799
07/16/17 10:26 AM
07/16/17 10:26 AM
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Vladiator Offline OP
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Yes, I do not use a torque wrench. I always use exactly the same small socket wrench to tighten the plug and know the right force to apply. Never had a plug failure until this cheap plug. All I know is that once I looked under the car - plug was not there and there was oil dripping from all underneath the car behind the drain hole. I'm just glad it did not mess up my oil pan threads. New drain plug went in and felt a lot less fragile during tightening.


2000 Lexus GS300-361k
1999 Lexus GS400-213k
2006 Toyota Camry-187k
2006 Toyota Highlander Hybrid-125k
2009 Scion xB-120k
2013 VW Tiguan-120k
2009 Toyota Tacoma-60k
Re: Magnetic drain plug failure. [Re: Vladiator] #4460804
07/16/17 10:34 AM
07/16/17 10:34 AM
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GA, USA
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Get yourself a Gold Plug (http://goldplug.com). Stainless steel, strong magnet and made in Bozeman, MT. I've been using them on my cars for years.


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Re: Magnetic drain plug failure. [Re: Blokey] #4460817
07/16/17 10:45 AM
07/16/17 10:45 AM
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Champlain/Hudson Valley
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Is this logical?

Someone told me "name brand" lug bolts can actually tighten themselves whilst in service.
The someone was a dealership parts counterman.

Therefor, could it be that cheap bolts would do the opposite?

I'm climbing into my _____proof suit now.

Re: Magnetic drain plug failure. [Re: Vladiator] #4460827
07/16/17 10:59 AM
07/16/17 10:59 AM
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Dallas,Tx USA
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Originally Posted By: Vlad_the_Russian
So I requested an Uber to the closest AutoZone and bought 5qts of STP 0w20 and STP Extended Life oil filter, along with a new drain plug. Then Ubered back to my Scion on the side of the road.


That was some GOOD thinking! thumbsup Uber was like your guardian angel that day! I'm glad everything worked out,whew!


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Re: Magnetic drain plug failure. [Re: Kira] #4460829
07/16/17 11:00 AM
07/16/17 11:00 AM
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Dallas,Tx USA
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Dallas,Tx USA
Originally Posted By: Kira
Is this logical?

Someone told me "name brand" lug bolts can actually tighten themselves whilst in service.
The someone was a dealership parts counterman.

Therefor, could it be that cheap bolts would do the opposite?

I'm climbing into my _____proof suit now.


I've actually heard that very same thing too.


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Quaker State Ultimate Durability 10W30
2012 Honda Accord Coupe EX-L 2.4,auto,San Marino Red
Quaker State Ultimate Durability 5W20

Re: Magnetic drain plug failure. [Re: Vladiator] #4460839
07/16/17 11:13 AM
07/16/17 11:13 AM
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Middlesex County CT
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Had he had his oil changed @ a quiky lube, the entire thread would have been about.....


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