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FCA closes Dodge Viper plant. End of an era #4460165
07/15/17 01:06 PM
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http://www.foxnews.com/auto/2017/07/12/end-is-here-dodge-viper-dies-on-august-31.html

Sad to hear that the Viper is no more. Maybe the Dodge Demon cannibalized sales.
I remember fondly reading about the Viper in Car and Driver 20 years ago - first in its RT/10 form, then in its wicked GTS form.


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Re: FCA closes Dodge Viper plant. End of an era [Re: L_Sludger] #4460174
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The Viper was great at first because it was unique, but now it's old news.

Wake me up when FCA actually starts putting all that exotic car energy and innovation into their run of the mill cars.

Re: FCA closes Dodge Viper plant. End of an era [Re: L_Sludger] #4460175
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LOL! Good point. Was at one time a nice car but like everything else it got old and outdated


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Re: FCA closes Dodge Viper plant. End of an era [Re: L_Sludger] #4460184
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You can still buy one if you want one. They've sold a few over the years.

I doubt the Demon has had any appreciable effect on Viper sales. They are different types of cars.

I like mine, but it's not really an everyday type of car. It can get hot, it's loud, it requires commitment and ability to drive it to it's capability, and it's not very forgiving of mistakes. In other words, it's great fun.

But lots of people don't want to, or know how to shift a manual transmission. Frequently those that don't know how to shift, don't want to learn. They like the idea of paddles that approximate the video games they grew up on. They want want an experience that doesn't demand involvement in their super car. At least those are the comments I've heard most often from people that have considered a Viper, only to buy other performance cars.

Re: FCA closes Dodge Viper plant. End of an era [Re: L_Sludger] #4460198
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02se, thanks for sharing your owners perspective.


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Re: FCA closes Dodge Viper plant. End of an era [Re: L_Sludger] #4460204
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Personally, I am definitely never buying any RAM truck with the Satanic Ram head logo and probably not the Demon either.


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Re: FCA closes Dodge Viper plant. End of an era [Re: L_Sludger] #4460241
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Re: FCA closes Dodge Viper plant. End of an era [Re: L_Sludger] #4460258
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I also liked the Viper and even subscribed to Viper magazine (not kidding).

Re: FCA closes Dodge Viper plant. End of an era [Re: L_Sludger] #4460319
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They've done this before I believe. Why does everyone hate the viper? It's like the only sports car that comes from the factory with a good sounding exhaust, not a Honda civic quiet sounding exhaust.


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Re: FCA closes Dodge Viper plant. End of an era [Re: L_Sludger] #4460345
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Although not my style, the Viper is a competent, high performance automobile. I'd happily drive one as long as I didn't have to pay for it; with my own money I'd buy something different (but with a manual transmission, as I like to be involved in the driving experience).

Good car, though, very purpose-built and if you fit the buyer profile, certainly worth a look.


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Re: FCA closes Dodge Viper plant. End of an era [Re: L_Sludger] #4460383
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Officially, FCA cancelled the Viper because of declining sales. A second factor was that the Viper is non-compliant with the latest airbag curtain regulations, and it would have been a big expense to design and qualify. The airbag regulation probably had more to do with the exact timing of the end of Viper production, but it was going to happen anyway.

As a supplier, we were contracted for 2000 annually. They never made anywhere that sort of annual volumes on the gen 5 Viper. Sales have went down every year since it's introduction, with less than 700 sold in 2016.

It's kind of sad, because the Viper was a real prestige car for Chrysler, particularly when it was introduced. A lot of people that would never have normally even looked at a Chrysler product, were crazy over the Viper and it's now long forgotten little sister, the Stealth. I can't help but wonder if the Viper would have continued on if it was still Chrysler, instead of FCA.


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Re: FCA closes Dodge Viper plant. End of an era [Re: L_Sludger] #4460399
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I thought they stopped selling Vipers 10 years ago. Haven't seen a Viper in 10 years. See Corvettes.


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Re: FCA closes Dodge Viper plant. End of an era [Re: Leo99] #4460407
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Originally Posted By: Leo99
I thought they stopped selling Vipers 10 years ago. Haven't seen a Viper in 10 years. See Corvettes.


They did, but I think they resumed a few years back.


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Re: FCA closes Dodge Viper plant. End of an era [Re: Leo99] #4460418
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Originally Posted By: Leo99
I thought they stopped selling Vipers 10 years ago. Haven't seen a Viper in 10 years. See Corvettes.


The 4th gen ended with the '10 model year. The 5th gen started with the '13 model year.

Re: FCA closes Dodge Viper plant. End of an era [Re: L_Sludger] #4460484
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Why you need a Viper when you can have a Ferrari? They are owned by the same company, Fiat.

...and the questions are "why are sales so low?"

Turns out there are a lot of insanely fast and powerful cars out there which outperforms and puts the Viper in its (last) place.

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