Recent Topics
Who runs a 20wt here?
by StevieC. 09/21/18 07:31 PM
Need help on edit profile
by jetmech1. 09/21/18 06:34 PM
Oil thickness on the dipstick
by Idlewild294. 09/21/18 05:40 PM
Chinese WIX Trans filter bad, let me down..
by jetmech1. 09/21/18 04:47 PM
Gen 8 Accord rear brakes-What tool?
by fdcg27. 09/21/18 04:30 PM
Ammeters?
by buck91. 09/21/18 03:55 PM
Need Help with Double D Knockers
by user52165. 09/21/18 03:41 PM
Opinion needed....
by Duffyjr. 09/21/18 02:56 PM
2017 nissan sentra
by jahwarrior1423. 09/21/18 02:47 PM
I Need A Safe Space- lol
by Zee09. 09/21/18 02:29 PM
Liqui Moly
by dawgn86. 09/21/18 02:10 PM
Valve issues
by kawie_guy. 09/21/18 01:54 PM
2018 Elantra SE
by wolf_06. 09/21/18 01:36 PM
Nasty looking oil filter
by atikovi. 09/21/18 12:43 PM
Laughing hard.
by StevieC. 09/21/18 12:26 PM
Apologies
by Drew99GT. 09/21/18 12:15 PM
Would Like the Manual Transmission to Make a Comeback?
by Speak2Mountain. 09/21/18 11:39 AM
Newest Members
JRMFt11, Navyretired, aikwae, ScottRousell, Direct_Rejection
66036 Registered Users
Who's Online Now
101 registered members (4WD, A310, 10WSmuckers, 2004tdigls, 08z06, 14 invisible), 1,604 guests, and 45 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums67
Topics290,790
Posts4,850,407
Members66,036
Most Online3,590
Jan 24th, 2017
Donate to BITOG
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Oil shear? #4460001
07/15/17 10:23 AM
07/15/17 10:23 AM
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 1,058
MA.
Camprunner Offline OP
Camprunner  Offline OP
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 1,058
MA.
Is there any evidence that lower cost synthetic oils (ST, Form Shell, Parts Master, Etc,) shear down faster then the so called top tier oils (M1, PP, Amsoil, etc) of the same oil weight?

Re: Oil shear? [Re: Camprunner] #4460008
07/15/17 10:32 AM
07/15/17 10:32 AM
Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 279
Sav ga
NStuart Offline
NStuart  Offline
Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 279
Sav ga
I'm in


Detroit14l 1m75k mi bp schaffer9k 30k oil
96 ram 5.9 gas 80k built tranny 5k m1
85 cj7 4.2 performance build. Schaeffer 9000
08 cbr600rr graffiti. T6
08 husky sm610 t6
Re: Oil shear? [Re: NStuart] #4460013
07/15/17 10:42 AM
07/15/17 10:42 AM
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 7,094
Colorado
Kuato Offline
Kuato  Offline
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 7,094
Colorado
Originally Posted By: NStuart
I'm in


Me too. I have no evidence but this will be interesting if someone does.


Thick vs Thin test: 15k / 43k miles complete
Re: Oil shear? [Re: Camprunner] #4460025
07/15/17 10:58 AM
07/15/17 10:58 AM
Joined: Jun 2017
Posts: 552
DFW
JustN89 Offline
JustN89  Offline
Joined: Jun 2017
Posts: 552
DFW
popcorn

Re: Oil shear? [Re: Camprunner] #4460368
07/15/17 06:15 PM
07/15/17 06:15 PM
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 2,980
MN
oil_film_movies Online content
oil_film_movies  Online Content
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 2,980
MN
Its been covered as far as higher-spec oils vs. SN GF5 dexos1 oils.
Of course the missing info is which brands and types of oils use which type of VII chemicals.
http://hrcak.srce.hr/file/37720
Looks like any oil using OCP as the VII best passes the toughest shear tests (Shear Stability CEC L-14-93, ASTM D6278 / 7109).
Mercedes MB 229.5 rated oils, Euro-specs. ...
dexos1 doesn't appear to run the shear test as long as the Euro-spec oils do.

Conclusions from http://hrcak.srce.hr/file/37720 :
1. New international specifications ACEA and API require that the shear stability of
engine oils is tested by 90 cycles of oil passing through the nozzle instead of
current 30 cycles; these requirements are accepted by a number of vehicle
manufacturers.
2. Shear stability determination according to new ASTM D 7109 method has been
defined with 90 cycles of testing.
3. Different concentrations of viscosity index improvers are needed for production
of multigrade engine oil of the same viscosity; the highest additive concentration
is needed for the viscosity index improvers based on OCP.
4. Viscosity index improvers based on OCP have the best shear stability after 90
cycles of testing.

5. Engine oil with the viscosity index improver based on styrene-isoprene (C) has a
significant viscosity loss after extended testing from 30 cycles to 90 cycles and it
does not meet requirements of the new international and OEM specifications.


https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1172315

Last edited by oil_film_movies; 07/15/17 06:15 PM.
Re: Oil shear? [Re: Camprunner] #4460616
07/16/17 06:09 AM
07/16/17 06:09 AM
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 7,507
Indianapolis, IN
dnewton3 Offline
dnewton3  Offline
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 7,507
Indianapolis, IN
Originally Posted By: Camprunner
Is there any evidence that lower cost synthetic oils (ST, Form Shell, Parts Master, Etc,) shear down faster then the so called top tier oils (M1, PP, Amsoil, etc) of the same oil weight?


The more important underlying question:
Does it matter if they do?

The lube does not exist to be self-serving. It's there to protect the engine. So if there is some shearing (moderate, not obscenely out by two grades), does it affect wear? After all, that's the purpose of the lube; to reduce wear. I've seen a lot of UOAs, and I've never seen one where shearing (or ox thickening for that matter) affects much of anything when we're only talking about typical shifts in grade. Some oils have less room for vis loss; where an engine using a 10w-40 can easily tolerate a drop to 30, I'd not want a 5w-20 to drop to a 10.

But the thing to ask is if the shearing actually causes an effect?
How will you know? Run the lubes and find out.

I doubt you're going to see much disparity in the actual protection factor; that's their job after all, and that's what you should judge them on.


The act of preventative maintenance, in and of itself, is FAR MORE important than brand/grade/base choices among lubes and filters.
- under maintaining something is akin to abuse/neglect; that can kill equipment by shortening the lifespan
- over maintaining something has never been proven to be anything but a waste of time and money
Re: Oil shear? [Re: Camprunner] #4460623
07/16/17 06:25 AM
07/16/17 06:25 AM
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 2,308
South Carolina
alarmguy Offline
alarmguy  Offline
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 2,308
South Carolina
Originally Posted By: Camprunner
Is there any evidence that lower cost synthetic oils (ST, Form Shell, Parts Master, Etc,) shear down faster then the so called top tier oils (M1, PP, Amsoil, etc) of the same oil weight?


No, none, zip,. zero, not a concern.
Top tier = think of top marketing


14 Road King (current)
08 VStar 1300 Tourer
07 Suzuki C50

BOB IS THE OIL GUY® Powered by UBB.threads™