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Automobiles vs Mowers #4459480
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I have some MC. Oil filters that I quit using because they are Purolators.
That said in mowers that are from say 30 to 37 HP gas engines I'd like to run a 910s to 100 hours. Just to see if it tears.

Questions is. Does a lawn mower engine create more or less strain on a oil filter than say a normally aspirated Engine like you would find in say a Ford Fusion etc??
Both car and mower operating in the same climate.
I plan to use a FS. 15w50 oil.

Re: Automobiles vs Mowers [Re: AirgunSavant] #4459492
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Far less stress my opinion. Would be a good test to see if it tears.



Re: Automobiles vs Mowers [Re: AirgunSavant] #4459501
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MC may be built by Puro, but they're built to Ford's specs, and are good filters, especially the FL400s and FL910s. I've cut open many of these, and never found a problem. Run yours on your car.


2010 Ford Fusion SE - 2.5 liter/6F35 Trans - 262,000mi
2014 Nissan Altima SL - 2.5 liter/CVT - 57,000mi
Re: Automobiles vs Mowers [Re: AirgunSavant] #4459507
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The top oil pressure in Briggs and Kohler small engines are ~40 PSI.
Not sure about the Kawasaki units. Most Japanese auto and cycle mfgs
seem to like 70 psi pressures.
Then to, the low hours you are talking about might be even less stressful
on the filters.
The 'tears' might be a result of extended pressure (time) and
wide fluctuations of pressure and flow on the average auto/truck engine.

My 2


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Re: Automobiles vs Mowers [Re: SirTanon] #4459509
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Originally Posted By: SirTanon
MC may be built by Puro, but they're built to Ford's specs, and are good filters, especially the FL400s and FL910s. I've cut open many of these, and never found a problem. Run yours on your car.


Yes they are the stars of that line. I have plenty of Ultras for the car.
If the 910 holds up it will be a nice cheap mower filter. I always liked the look of them.
Now the 820 filters have been junk.

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Originally Posted By: dwendt44
The top oil pressure in Briggs and Kohler small engines are ~40 PSI.
Not sure about the Kawasaki units. Most Japanese auto and cycle mfgs
seem to like 70 psi pressures.
Then to, the low hours you are talking about might be even less stressful
on the filters.
The 'tears' might be a result of extended pressure (time) and
wide fluctuations of pressure and flow on the average auto/truck engine.

My 2


Thanks for the information!!!
I wonder if mower engine temps could be harder on the filter since I mow large properties and not small lots. Those filters get scalding rather quickly on the mower.

Re: Automobiles vs Mowers [Re: SirTanon] #4459535
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Originally Posted By: SirTanon
MC may be built by Puro, but they're built to Ford's specs, and are good filters, especially the FL400s and FL910s. I've cut open many of these, and never found a problem. Run yours on your car.

While I agree the FL-400 and 910S have a good record and have not had issues like the FL-820S, I know I have seen at least one of them (400/910S, don't remember which one) with a tear in the same spot as other Purloators.

The fact is Purolator filters have gone to poop, and they have failed to respond or fix the issues for years. The only Puro made filter worth a darn are the Bosch Distance Plus (which I am not sure who sells anymore besides Amazon). Other than that one, Puro made filters are off my list.


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2012 Scion xB: QSUD 0w-20/CQ Blue/5k OCI

Re: Automobiles vs Mowers [Re: AirgunSavant] #4459680
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Mower engines run a lot hotter than cars. 250-280 is typical on a mower vs 200-210 in a car, so not sure if high heat is hard on an oil filter. This is a great question though.

Last edited by motor_oil_madman; 07/14/17 09:15 PM.

2007.5 dodge cummins 6.7 liter. Chevron Delo400 15w40. 7000 mile or 250-300hr intervals.

Re: Automobiles vs Mowers [Re: AirgunSavant] #4459709
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whats the issue with fl 820s. I just stocked up on those !


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Re: Automobiles vs Mowers [Re: merconvvv] #4459718
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They tear in the same manner the Purolators do at the wide pleats near the seam.


2004 Ford Ranger 4.0L V6
Valvoline Advanced Full Synthetic 5W30 + Fram Tough Guard
Re: Automobiles vs Mowers [Re: AirgunSavant] #4459721
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Double post.

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Re: Automobiles vs Mowers [Re: AirgunSavant] #4459730
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I haven't seen a synthetic fiber filter tear yet.


2007.5 dodge cummins 6.7 liter. Chevron Delo400 15w40. 7000 mile or 250-300hr intervals.

Re: Automobiles vs Mowers [Re: motor_oil_madman] #4459918
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Thanks. I thought so.
Like you said they get hot and if you touch the filter it will burn you good. I can imagine a 100F degree day mowing for hours with no air at all- heavy humidity and no breeze like we had the last few days.
Especially if you are a maintenance pig and don't even keep things clean with a leaf blower.
We'll find out soon I guess smile

Originally Posted By: motor_oil_madman
Mower engines run a lot hotter than cars. 250-280 is typical on a mower vs 200-210 in a car, so not sure if high heat is hard on an oil filter. This is a great question though.

Re: Automobiles vs Mowers [Re: motor_oil_madman] #4459995
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Originally Posted By: motor_oil_madman
Mower engines run a lot hotter than cars. 250-280 is typical on a mower vs 200-210 in a car, so not sure if high heat is hard on an oil filter. This is a great question though.

I think the 910S with a synthetic ADV is a good thing though (if the ADV is needed). Nitrile does not like heat and would probably harden pretty quickly.


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Re: Automobiles vs Mowers [Re: AirgunSavant] #4460637
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Many OPE engines (like my 21HP Briggs) have a pump that pumps the oil through the filter, but the engine is splash lubricated. I have used MC FL910S filters for years in both my Briggs engine and my car engines. To date none have had a problem.


2007 Ford Fusion 232,000 miles
M1 0-20 EP
2017 Ford Fusion 55K
M1 0-20 EP
10,000 mile OCIs on both engines
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