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#4458297 - 07/13/17 01:59 PM Marine KC-130T Down in Mississippi
john_pifer Offline


Registered: 07/08/12
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Crashed in Leflore County, in the Mississippi Delta, where my mom is from. Went down along Hwy. 82, between Itta Bena and Moorhead. Apparently broke up in flight.

Read that the oldest of these was built in 1983, with the newest being over 20 years old (the first 130 was delivered in the mid-50s).

Wonder what happened.

https://news.usni.org/2017/07/12/marine-...-least-2-pieces


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#4458307 - 07/13/17 02:07 PM Re: Marine KC-130T Down in Mississippi [Re: john_pifer]
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Registered: 04/20/17
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Loc: Utah, USA
Interested to know what happened as well.

Rest in peace, Marines.

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#4458325 - 07/13/17 02:20 PM Re: Marine KC-130T Down in Mississippi [Re: john_pifer]
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Registered: 08/02/14
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Loc: Gulf Coast, MS
I heard about this a few days ago since I live in Mississippi. We have a lot of military bases here. Most of them are used to store stuff. I honestly couldn't tell you how many humvees we have in Gulfport that are sitting on multiple flats.

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#4458483 - 07/13/17 04:40 PM Re: Marine KC-130T Down in Mississippi [Re: 3800Series]
Linctex Offline


Registered: 12/31/16
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Loc: Waco, TX
Originally Posted By: 3800Series
I honestly couldn't tell you how many humvees we have in Gulfport that are sitting on multiple flats.


Do a satellite view of the Red River Arsenal in Texarkana.... There's got to be 100,000 vehicles, AT LEAST
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#4458542 - 07/13/17 05:43 PM Re: Marine KC-130T Down in Mississippi [Re: john_pifer]
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Airframe age probably wasn't a factor.
I've flown on airline MD-80s almost as old in the past year and those aircraft see a lot more hours and cycles than would a reserve C130.
What happened?
Who can say, but one might guess either loss of control resulting in the aircraft exceeding its envelope by enough to have failed, undetected corrosion resulting in failure or undetected fatigue cracking resulting in failure.
Not likely that some never before seen failure could have occurred in such a mature design, although it is possible.
After all, how many hours and cycles had been flown by the B737 fleet before the rudder valve problem was discovered?
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#4460024 - 07/15/17 10:58 AM Re: Marine KC-130T Down in Mississippi [Re: fdcg27]
Astro14 Offline


Registered: 10/10/10
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Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Airframe age probably wasn't a factor.
I've flown on airline MD-80s almost as old in the past year and those aircraft see a lot more hours and cycles than would a reserve C130.
What happened?
Who can say, but one might guess either loss of control resulting in the aircraft exceeding its envelope by enough to have failed, undetected corrosion resulting in failure or undetected fatigue cracking resulting in failure.
Not likely that some never before seen failure could have occurred in such a mature design, although it is possible.
After all, how many hours and cycles had been flown by the B737 fleet before the rudder valve problem was discovered?


Maybe...

Two debris fields suggest inflight breakup.

The airplane had two incidents of airframe damage in its past, so, airframe failure remains a possibility.
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#4460265 - 07/15/17 03:14 PM Re: Marine KC-130T Down in Mississippi [Re: john_pifer]
BusyLittleShop Offline


Registered: 12/09/11
Posts: 850
Loc: Ca USA

No way related but interesting C130 wing failure during pull up non the less...

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#4460295 - 07/15/17 04:16 PM Re: Marine KC-130T Down in Mississippi [Re: BusyLittleShop]
Malo83 Offline


Registered: 08/08/08
Posts: 2000
Loc: Cali
With eyewitness reports of an engine smoking, prop failure is a possibility as ocurred here, Godspeed to these young men.
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#4460343 - 07/15/17 05:36 PM Re: Marine KC-130T Down in Mississippi [Re: BusyLittleShop]
tom slick Offline


Registered: 05/26/03
Posts: 9301
Loc: Central Coast, Calif.
Originally Posted By: BusyLittleShop

No way related but interesting C130 wing failure during pull up non the less...


That was a very old C-130 without the "wing box" upgrade. The military hasn't flown those for decades.
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#4460354 - 07/15/17 05:49 PM Re: Marine KC-130T Down in Mississippi [Re: Malo83]
Astro14 Offline


Registered: 10/10/10
Posts: 8536
Loc: Virginia Beach
Originally Posted By: Malo83
With eyewitness reports of an engine smoking, prop failure is a possibility as ocurred here, Godspeed to these young men.
http://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/A...gian-jr-trophy/


Prop failure is a possibility - but not because eyewitnesses saw smoking.

85% of eyewitnesses to aviation accidents report seeing things that DID NOT HAPPEN.

People are ill-equipped to judge what is happening with an airplane. Human memory is a funny thing where stress is involved. The result: most eyewitness accounts should be discounted.
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#4460463 - 07/15/17 08:40 PM Re: Marine KC-130T Down in Mississippi [Re: john_pifer]
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Registered: 05/26/03
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Loc: Central Coast, Calif.
Prop or engine failure on C-130 is very rare and usually does not cause aircraft loss even if is looses the gearbox.
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#4464171 - 07/19/17 04:27 PM Re: Marine KC-130T Down in Mississippi [Re: john_pifer]
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Registered: 10/04/09
Posts: 3947
Loc: Ohio
The C-130 is a venerable, storied aircraft but it unfortunately has some accidents under its belt. Accidents that cost us valuable American lives. My hearts out to them and their families. Semper Fi and RIP
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