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Marine KC-130T Down in Mississippi #4458297
07/13/17 12:59 PM
07/13/17 12:59 PM
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Nashville, TN via Memphis
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Crashed in Leflore County, in the Mississippi Delta, where my mom is from. Went down along Hwy. 82, between Itta Bena and Moorhead. Apparently broke up in flight.

Read that the oldest of these was built in 1983, with the newest being over 20 years old (the first 130 was delivered in the mid-50s).

Wonder what happened.

https://news.usni.org/2017/07/12/marine-...-least-2-pieces


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Re: Marine KC-130T Down in Mississippi [Re: john_pifer] #4458307
07/13/17 01:07 PM
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Interested to know what happened as well.

Rest in peace, Marines.

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Re: Marine KC-130T Down in Mississippi [Re: john_pifer] #4458325
07/13/17 01:20 PM
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Gulf Coast, MS
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I heard about this a few days ago since I live in Mississippi. We have a lot of military bases here. Most of them are used to store stuff. I honestly couldn't tell you how many humvees we have in Gulfport that are sitting on multiple flats.

Re: Marine KC-130T Down in Mississippi [Re: 3800Series] #4458483
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Originally Posted By: 3800Series
I honestly couldn't tell you how many humvees we have in Gulfport that are sitting on multiple flats.


Do a satellite view of the Red River Arsenal in Texarkana.... There's got to be 100,000 vehicles, AT LEAST


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Re: Marine KC-130T Down in Mississippi [Re: john_pifer] #4458542
07/13/17 04:43 PM
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Airframe age probably wasn't a factor.
I've flown on airline MD-80s almost as old in the past year and those aircraft see a lot more hours and cycles than would a reserve C130.
What happened?
Who can say, but one might guess either loss of control resulting in the aircraft exceeding its envelope by enough to have failed, undetected corrosion resulting in failure or undetected fatigue cracking resulting in failure.
Not likely that some never before seen failure could have occurred in such a mature design, although it is possible.
After all, how many hours and cycles had been flown by the B737 fleet before the rudder valve problem was discovered?


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Re: Marine KC-130T Down in Mississippi [Re: fdcg27] #4460024
07/15/17 09:58 AM
07/15/17 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Airframe age probably wasn't a factor.
I've flown on airline MD-80s almost as old in the past year and those aircraft see a lot more hours and cycles than would a reserve C130.
What happened?
Who can say, but one might guess either loss of control resulting in the aircraft exceeding its envelope by enough to have failed, undetected corrosion resulting in failure or undetected fatigue cracking resulting in failure.
Not likely that some never before seen failure could have occurred in such a mature design, although it is possible.
After all, how many hours and cycles had been flown by the B737 fleet before the rudder valve problem was discovered?


Maybe...

Two debris fields suggest inflight breakup.

The airplane had two incidents of airframe damage in its past, so, airframe failure remains a possibility.


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Re: Marine KC-130T Down in Mississippi [Re: john_pifer] #4460265
07/15/17 02:14 PM
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No way related but interesting C130 wing failure during pull up non the less...



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Re: Marine KC-130T Down in Mississippi [Re: BusyLittleShop] #4460295
07/15/17 03:16 PM
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Cali
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With eyewitness reports of an engine smoking, prop failure is a possibility as ocurred here, Godspeed to these young men.
http://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/A...gian-jr-trophy/

Re: Marine KC-130T Down in Mississippi [Re: BusyLittleShop] #4460343
07/15/17 04:36 PM
07/15/17 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted By: BusyLittleShop

No way related but interesting C130 wing failure during pull up non the less...


That was a very old C-130 without the "wing box" upgrade. The military hasn't flown those for decades.


You get what you pay for...
So keep in mind how much you paid for this advice.
Re: Marine KC-130T Down in Mississippi [Re: Malo83] #4460354
07/15/17 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted By: Malo83
With eyewitness reports of an engine smoking, prop failure is a possibility as ocurred here, Godspeed to these young men.
http://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/A...gian-jr-trophy/


Prop failure is a possibility - but not because eyewitnesses saw smoking.

85% of eyewitnesses to aviation accidents report seeing things that DID NOT HAPPEN.

People are ill-equipped to judge what is happening with an airplane. Human memory is a funny thing where stress is involved. The result: most eyewitness accounts should be discounted.


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Re: Marine KC-130T Down in Mississippi [Re: john_pifer] #4460463
07/15/17 07:40 PM
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Prop or engine failure on C-130 is very rare and usually does not cause aircraft loss even if is looses the gearbox.


You get what you pay for...
So keep in mind how much you paid for this advice.
Re: Marine KC-130T Down in Mississippi [Re: john_pifer] #4464171
07/19/17 03:27 PM
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The C-130 is a venerable, storied aircraft but it unfortunately has some accidents under its belt. Accidents that cost us valuable American lives. My hearts out to them and their families. Semper Fi and RIP


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