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#4458290 - 07/13/17 01:53 PM Residential Electricity Rate Increas Across U.S.A.
sleddriver Offline


Registered: 02/06/10
Posts: 4597
Loc: Central Texas
As many here are interesting in power production, I found this recent graph of percentage increases from 2002 - 2015 very interesting:





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#4458335 - 07/13/17 02:31 PM Re: Residential Electricity Rate Increas Across U.S.A. [Re: sleddriver]
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Registered: 05/29/09
Posts: 2142
Loc: WA (USA)
The only way to make solar/wind viable is to increase the level of other sources to a level, where they become finally comparable.

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#4458357 - 07/13/17 02:56 PM Re: Residential Electricity Rate Increas Across U.S.A. [Re: sleddriver]
Sunnyinhollister Offline


Registered: 06/27/09
Posts: 730
Loc: Hollister, CA
This shows the increase in rates by state. I wonder what the price by KWH looks like by state. Maybe CT has the lowest cost per KWH. Who knows. I see that kalifornia had one of the lower increases but the overall rates in kalifornia is one of the highest.
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#4458363 - 07/13/17 03:02 PM Re: Residential Electricity Rate Increas Across U.S.A. [Re: sleddriver]
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Registered: 06/26/03
Posts: 10305
Loc: Illinois
Our community negotiates for a supply agreement. Municipal aggregation is what it's called.

Ameren is our local utility and they still handle transmission. However, the community leaders negotiate for supply and usually get rates lower than Ameren offers. I believe Ameren is offering 6.776 cents/kwh, but our supplier, Homefield is providing electricity at 5.95 cents/kwh So just over a 10% drop in the generation portion. After taxes and delivery, it's about 5-6% off the electric portion of my bill.

Still, half a loaf for Ameren as they get paid for delivery. But they don't get paid (by us) for generation. Now who knows if the 3rd party supplier buys from them or what.
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#4458378 - 07/13/17 03:15 PM Re: Residential Electricity Rate Increas Across U.S.A. [Re: Y_K]
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Registered: 10/09/14
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Loc: Idaho
Originally Posted By: Y_K
The only way to make solar/wind viable is to increase the level of other sources to a level, where they become finally comparable.
+1
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#4458394 - 07/13/17 03:37 PM Re: Residential Electricity Rate Increas Across U.S.A. [Re: CT8]
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Registered: 04/28/08
Posts: 36412
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: CT8
Originally Posted By: Y_K
The only way to make solar/wind viable is to increase the level of other sources to a level, where they become finally comparable.
+1


+2.

If you are subsidizing intermittents, rates are going to increase to satisfy the subsidy. We've seen an increase from $0.047/kWh retail in Ontario to an average of $0.13/kWh ($0.088 off-peak, $0.125 mid-peak and $0.18 peak) plus a significant uptick in delivery costs for rate payers tied to the utility that has been responsible for providing the connectivity for all of these facilities.

The end-game is Euro-level electricity prices such as the $0.45/kWh they are paying in Germany, or the just shy of $0.50/kWh they pay in Denmark.
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#4458432 - 07/13/17 04:12 PM Re: Residential Electricity Rate Increas Across U.S.A. [Re: CT8]
Coprolite Offline


Registered: 07/03/11
Posts: 1224
Loc: Houston, TX
Originally Posted By: CT8
Originally Posted By: Y_K
The only way to make solar/wind viable is to increase the level of other sources to a level, where they become finally comparable.
+1


+1/2

This is only completely true if you are comparing two mature technologies.

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#4458436 - 07/13/17 04:16 PM Re: Residential Electricity Rate Increas Across U.S.A. [Re: sleddriver]
brave sir robin Offline


Registered: 05/20/06
Posts: 300
Loc: California
I just looked at my electricity usage last night. Turns out I pay almost as much in taxes and fees as actual usage.

I only used 23 dollars in electricity last month but my bill was 43 bucks........whiskey tango foxtrot
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#4458459 - 07/13/17 04:30 PM Re: Residential Electricity Rate Increas Across U.S.A. [Re: sleddriver]
ironman_gq Offline


Registered: 04/30/14
Posts: 604
Loc: MN
Mines the same way, works out to roughly half the bill being taxes and fees. Rate increases have to be approved by the state, fees do not so they just find a way to add another fee to get their money.

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#4458480 - 07/13/17 04:39 PM Re: Residential Electricity Rate Increas Across U.S.A. [Re: sleddriver]
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Registered: 08/24/11
Posts: 9560
Loc: Boston, MA
When you don't pay attention you get your pockets picked. Look closely at your bill, see how much of it is NOT for generating and supplying you with electricity.

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#4458522 - 07/13/17 05:16 PM Re: Residential Electricity Rate Increas Across U.S.A. [Re: sleddriver]
vwmaniaman Offline


Registered: 04/18/13
Posts: 129
Loc: Kevil,Ky
Here in Kentucky it is over .10/KW hr. Was .07 when I moved here.
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#4458527 - 07/13/17 05:24 PM Re: Residential Electricity Rate Increas Across U.S.A. [Re: sleddriver]
javacontour Offline


Registered: 06/26/03
Posts: 10305
Loc: Illinois
Not sure it's really out of order.

Sure, sounds like a big number. The nationwide average over the 14 year period considered is a 49.88% increase. Let' just say 50% for easy numbers.

Wow, big number!

Except it's under a 3% increase each year. (Somewhere more than 2.9% and less than 3%, not going to figure it any more closely than that.)

Now in the 14 years inclusively from 2002 to 2015, probably more have been less than 2.95% inflation than have been over it. But I believe this figure is in line with the historic average.

So not sure how much of this is really earth shattering, and how much is just the natural course of things.

No one likes it when prices go up, I get that. But I'm not sure this is really news.
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#4458533 - 07/13/17 05:31 PM Re: Residential Electricity Rate Increas Across U.S.A. [Re: sleddriver]
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Registered: 12/31/16
Posts: 6146
Loc: Waco, TX
North Dakota generates from just these three sources:

583 Megawatts from Garrison Dam (hydroelectric power)
1,886 Megawatts (if the wind is blowin') of wind generation capacity
900 Megawatts from the Antelope Valley Station (coal)

When you consider the population of North Dakota and how much power is exported, you would think juice would/should be only .001 per Kw/H there!
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#4458535 - 07/13/17 05:32 PM Re: Residential Electricity Rate Increas Across U.S.A. [Re: OVERKILL]
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Registered: 12/31/16
Posts: 6146
Loc: Waco, TX
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL

The end-game is Euro-level electricity prices such as the $0.45/kWh they are paying in Germany, or the just shy of $0.50/kWh they pay in Denmark.


YIKES!!!!!!
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#4458598 - 07/13/17 06:39 PM Re: Residential Electricity Rate Increas Across U.S.A. [Re: sleddriver]
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Registered: 12/12/02
Posts: 39820
Loc: 'Stralia
Ours went up last week

Code:
Band           Old Price      New Price    % rise
<10.9589KWh/d   26.818c         32.098       19.7
Next 8.2192KWh  25.894c         32.098       24.0
Balance         24.123c         32.089       33.0

Connection/day  85.899c         94.16         9.6


So per day, we go from $5.10 per day to $6.07, ^19%

Similarly for gas.

NOTE : multiply by 0.77 to get the Pacific Peso effect.

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