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Turbine oil in internal combustian engines? #4457921
07/13/17 07:22 AM
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Has anyone ever used turbine oil (such as Exxon 2380) in their gas or diesel engine?


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Re: Turbine oil in internal combustian engines? [Re: exShuttlemech] #4457928
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I have used Mobil Jet Oil in my lawn mower just to see how it would do. Other than leaking from the center case gasket it seemed to have done it's job of lubricating the engine.

It certainly didn't hurt anything.


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Re: Turbine oil in internal combustian engines? [Re: exShuttlemech] #4457982
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Does your IC engine have many ball bearings or high TOT?

SHP @ 100% N2?

We need more info.


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Re: Turbine oil in internal combustian engines? [Re: rooflessVW] #4458055
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Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Does your IC engine have many ball bearings or high TOT?

SHP @ 100% N2?

We need more info.
Lots of bleed air though.


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Re: Turbine oil in internal combustian engines? [Re: rooflessVW] #4458069
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Originally Posted By: rooflessVW

SHP @ 100% N2?



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Re: Turbine oil in internal combustian engines? [Re: exShuttlemech] #4458089
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I remember reading the history of the Amsoil company. As I recall the founder initially experimented with synthetic turbine oil in his car with disastrous results. That's what sent him on the mission to develop an appropriate internal combustion additive package.

Re: Turbine oil in internal combustian engines? [Re: exShuttlemech] #4458126
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The turbine oil I deal with is very thin - as thin as ATF or even thinner!

It is also a non-detergent oil since the oil never sees any combustion by-products.

It can handle a lot of heat, though.... but other than that, it's entire unsuitable for use in piston engines.


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Re: Turbine oil in internal combustian engines? [Re: Linctex] #4458174
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Originally Posted By: Linctex
The turbine oil I deal with is very thin - as thin as ATF or even thinner!

It is also a non-detergent oil since the oil never sees any combustion by-products.

It can handle a lot of heat, though.... but other than that, it's entire unsuitable for use in piston engines.
There's no crankcase, either. It's a total loss (though very slow) system.

Re: Turbine oil in internal combustian engines? [Re: exShuttlemech] #4458178
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Some turbine oils are basic group I/II R&O lubes

Re: Turbine oil in internal combustian engines? [Re: Linctex] #4458197
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Originally Posted By: Linctex
The turbine oil I deal with is very thin - as thin as ATF or even thinner!

It is also a non-detergent oil since the oil never sees any combustion by-products.

It can handle a lot of heat, though.... but other than that, it's entire unsuitable for use in piston engines.


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This has been discussed before at least twice, but Jet Engine Turbine oil has a viscosity of about 5.0 cSt or approximately a 0W10. They are primarily composed of Polyol Esters with specialized anti-oxidants and an anti-wear component.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/esters-in-synthetic-lubricants.

Quote:
Has anyone ever used turbine oil (such as Exxon 2380) in their gas or diesel engine?


The answer is you shouldn't because they DO NOT have the additive composition necessary for IC engine oils, so are definitely unsuitable for your engine.

Last edited by MolaKule; 07/13/17 12:02 PM.

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Re: Turbine oil in internal combustian engines? [Re: MolaKule] #4458213
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Surely one quart among 4 or 5 quarts of PCMO wouldn't hurt anything. whistle


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Re: Turbine oil in internal combustian engines? [Re: CT8] #4458368
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Originally Posted By: CT8
Lots of bleed air though.

Tons of that on this board.


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Re: Turbine oil in internal combustian engines? [Re: exShuttlemech] #4458386
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Most "turbine" oils are simple R&O oils (rust and oxidation inhibited) and are not suitable for your application.Having spent three decades in power generation, I have seen R&O oils used in all types of applications but never for internal combustion engines. If I recall correctly, R&O turbine oils come in ISO viscosity grades from 32 up to 460. Steam turbines use highly refined R&O oils which are sold as "turbine' oils. I have purchased Mobil DTE 797 turbine oil delivered by semi truck.

Re: Turbine oil in internal combustian engines? [Re: Yah-Tah-Hey] #4458438
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Originally Posted By: HosteenJorje
Most "turbine" oils are simple R&O oils (rust and oxidation inhibited) and are not suitable for your application.Having spent three decades in power generation, I have seen R&O oils used in all types of applications but never for internal combustion engines. If I recall correctly, R&O turbine oils come in ISO viscosity grades from 32 up to 460.


True, but the specific oil mentioned by the OP was Exxon 2380, which is an ISO 22 (5 cSt @ 100C) aviation jet turbine oil based on polyol esters (TMP and DiPE).

Molakule's answer was spot on. Too thin and completely wrong additive system.

Tom NJ/VA

Re: Turbine oil in internal combustian engines? [Re: Red91] #4458439
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Originally Posted By: Red91
Surely one quart among 4 or 5 quarts of PCMO wouldn't hurt anything. whistle


Also wouldn't help anything. Not worth the risk.

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