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#4457400 - 07/12/17 03:45 PM PP EURO 0W30 for a GOLF R?
21Rouge Offline


Registered: 06/04/05
Posts: 1971
Loc: Vinegar Hill ON
We are using some of the proceeds of the "sell back" of our 2015 TDI GSW to purchase a 2018 Golf R. I have several jugs of PP EURO LX 0W30 remaining. I had used it in the TDI as it is 507 approved. (I see it is a 504 oil also....always backwards compatible?).

Just curious as to whether any R owners have had experience, even a UOA, with this 0W30 oil?

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#4457423 - 07/12/17 04:20 PM Re: PP EURO 0W30 for a GOLF R? [Re: 21Rouge]
1JZ_E46 Offline


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504 is backward compatible with 502, so you should be OK. It is a fine oil.
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#4457464 - 07/12/17 05:16 PM Re: PP EURO 0W30 for a GOLF R? [Re: 21Rouge]
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Congrats on an absolutely fantastic replacement vehicle.
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#4457465 - 07/12/17 05:17 PM Re: PP EURO 0W30 for a GOLF R? [Re: 21Rouge]
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#4457743 - 07/12/17 09:59 PM Re: PP EURO 0W30 for a GOLF R? [Re: 21Rouge]
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Why would you run an oil that could void your warranty?
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#4457794 - 07/12/17 11:34 PM Re: PP EURO 0W30 for a GOLF R? [Re: FordBroncoVWJeta]
1JZ_E46 Offline


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Originally Posted By: FordBroncoVWJeta
Why would you run an oil that could void your warranty?


I'm not sure if that is the case? I would check with VW USA. 504 is supposedly backwards compatible with 502, and is a far more modern standard.
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#4457816 - 07/13/17 12:34 AM Re: PP EURO 0W30 for a GOLF R? [Re: 21Rouge]
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I believe in the US you can't use 504 oils in petrol motors due to the sulphur in your fuel.
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#4457867 - 07/13/17 05:12 AM Re: PP EURO 0W30 for a GOLF R? [Re: Bailes1992]
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Originally Posted By: Bailes1992
I believe in the US you can't use 504 oils in petrol motors due to the sulphur in your fuel.


Changed recently (not sure if fully rolled out yet) sulphur levels are now supposed to be same as Europe now.

https://www.epa.gov/gasoline-standards/gasoline-sulfur

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#4457878 - 07/13/17 05:48 AM Re: PP EURO 0W30 for a GOLF R? [Re: 21Rouge]
21Rouge Offline


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Thanks everyone. According to the sales rep these 2018 Rs will likely not arrive to Canadian dealerships until early November crazy so I will need to tone down my enthusiasm wink


I guess the linch pin is whether or not 504 is backwards compatible with 502.


Edited by 21Rouge (07/13/17 05:49 AM)

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#4457906 - 07/13/17 06:53 AM Re: PP EURO 0W30 for a GOLF R? [Re: Bailes1992]
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Originally Posted By: Bailes1992
I believe in the US you can't use 504 oils in petrol motors due to the sulphur in your fuel.


This. Not sure I would be using a low SAPS oil.
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#4458111 - 07/13/17 10:40 AM Re: PP EURO 0W30 for a GOLF R? [Re: NGRhodes]
1JZ_E46 Offline


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Originally Posted By: NGRhodes
Changed recently (not sure if fully rolled out yet) sulphur levels are now supposed to be same as Europe now.

https://www.epa.gov/gasoline-standards/gasoline-sulfur


That's not entirely true. The way I understand the new Rule to work is that it will allow sulfur offsetting credits for producers. Changing production and refining equipment will take years. Therefore, you're very likely NOT getting ultra low sulfur gasoline anytime soon. Here is the final Final Rule published by the EPA if you need some help sleeping. 838 pages!

From the executive summary:

"These early credit provisions, coupled
with the ability to carry over credits
from Tier 2 into Tier 3 (an additional
flexibility being finalized today that was
not part of the proposal), will allow for
early actions to reduce sulfur levels by
some refineries to be used to delay the
need for actions at other refineries until
2020."

I wouldn't count on any changes until at least 2019.


Edited by 1JZ_E46 (07/13/17 10:43 AM)
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#4458187 - 07/13/17 11:48 AM Re: PP EURO 0W30 for a GOLF R? [Re: 1JZ_E46]
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504 is not backwards compatible with 502. Don't get creative on this or you'll void your warranty. Do whatever the owner's manual says.
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#4458194 - 07/13/17 11:54 AM Re: PP EURO 0W30 for a GOLF R? [Re: 21Rouge]
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Great car! The Golf R was on my short list...
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#4458198 - 07/13/17 11:56 AM Re: PP EURO 0W30 for a GOLF R? [Re: motech]
21Rouge Offline


Registered: 06/04/05
Posts: 1971
Loc: Vinegar Hill ON
Originally Posted By: motech
504 is not backwards compatible with 502. Don't get creative on this or you'll void your warranty. Do whatever the owner's manual says.


I have been told that there is a section in the Owner's Manual (2017 R),...something to the effect that that....if no 5W30 or 5W40 is available one can use another viscosity that meets VW502/504 standard and meets the viscosity requirements of your area.


Edited by 21Rouge (07/13/17 11:57 AM)

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#4458201 - 07/13/17 11:59 AM Re: PP EURO 0W30 for a GOLF R? [Re: 21Rouge]
1JZ_E46 Offline


Registered: 04/04/16
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Loc: Oregon
Originally Posted By: motech
504 is not backwards compatible with 502. Don't get creative on this or you'll void your warranty. Do whatever the owner's manual says.


Originally Posted By: 21Rouge
I have been told that there is a section in the Owner's Manual (2017 R),...something to the effect that that....if no 5W30 or 5W40 is available one can use another viscosity that meets VW502/504 standard and meets the viscosity requirements of your area.


Like I said above, this is something that VW USA would be able to clarify. I would ask them to send you an answer in writing/email for documentation. We're all just guessing here at this point.
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