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Brake Flluid Color / Our Government at it's Finest #4456418
07/11/17 02:48 PM
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Here is the email thread I began about the color of brake fluid. Does anyone think I got the runaround???
David Martin
Jul 11 2017, 04:05pm via System
Jack-
If you are curious about the history behind this regulation, you can read the entire history at www.regulations.gov
You'll find that the overwhelming percentage of Americans who offered comments were very much in favor of the regulation for a host of reasons they provided. Comments were made by auto industry officials, safety advocates, chemical engineers, and regular run-of-the mill citizens. Before any rule becomes final, Americans are given ample opportunity to voice their opinions on both sides of the issue.
Perhaps it is time to update this regulation, and if so, the process will again play itself and you will have a chance to write in why you would like to see the change.
For information on submitting an idea for auto part safety, please contact the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) Office of Chief Counsel, Rulemaking Division at (202)366-2992 for information about the legal use of this device.

Additional information for new manufactures can be found at: http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/maninfo

Anon
Jul 11 2017, 03:55pm via Email
David,

Please see attachment X71.116 Standard No. 116 (See S5.1.14).
Attached Files
brake_fluid.pdf
A5692D01C1BD4839B4DA2D146E522962.png

David Martin
Jul 11 2017, 03:23pm via System
We were not aware that there were any federal regulations enforced by the USDOT that dealt with brake fluid color. Can you give us the exact citation/regulation that you are referring to?


Original Question
Jul 08, 2017 via System
Brake Fluid Color
In line with President Trump's initiative to reduce unneeded regulations I request that the regulation requiring brake fluid to be "clear" be eliminated. I can think of no reason for it to exist. You used to be able to buy "clear" or "blue" brake fluid. This was useful when you flushed out the brake system because you could use the different color to see when the old fluid was gone. Can't do that anymore.



David W. Martin
Reference Librarian
National Transportation Library
Bureau of Transportation Statistics
Office of the Assistant Secretary for Research and Technology
U. S. Department of Transportation

This email is sent from USDOT Answers & FAQs in relationship to ticket id #2143559.


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Re: Brake Flluid Color / Our Government at it's Finest [Re: redbone3] #4456425
07/11/17 02:56 PM
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Where the wind comes sweepin'
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I've emailed DOT and got a response from David Martin before. (regarding GM disregarding standards and turning on reverse lights when the car is parked)

You lucked out and got something slightly more than a canned response.

Re: Brake Flluid Color / Our Government at it's Finest [Re: redbone3] #4456432
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solution: find a vendor in another country that still sells fluid in some color other than amber.


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Re: Brake Flluid Color / Our Government at it's Finest [Re: redbone3] #4456449
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If it makes you feel better, ATE doesn't sell Super Blue Racing globally anymore.

Re: Brake Flluid Color / Our Government at it's Finest [Re: redbone3] #4456451
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I have ATE blue brake fluid. Don't remember where I bought it but I know it was online. If I remember I will post.


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Re: Brake Flluid Color / Our Government at it's Finest [Re: redbone3] #4456454
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Gotta type faster!


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Re: Brake Flluid Color / Our Government at it's Finest [Re: redbone3] #4456469
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Why do you need ATE Superblue when there is already TYP 200, same fluid with no color?


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Re: Brake Flluid Color / Our Government at it's Finest [Re: redbone3] #4456493
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The law that banned blue brake fluid (FMVSS 116) dates back to 1972, a loooooooooooooooooooooooong time before Super Blue ever existed.

Also, the cans said DOT 4 on them, despite not actually meeting the standards due to being a color not permitted in that law from 1972. Had it not mentioned DOT 4 or FMVSS 116 at all, perhaps it might have been able to slide under the radar, or even if it said "for off-road use only". But illegal anything CANNOT say "meets federal standards except for..."

Nope, not permitted. If it doesn't meet the requirements, it cannot mention the requirements at all. The very most they could get away with is "DOES NOT meet FMVSS 116 standards", but even that is iffy.

And Super Blue stains the reservoir anyway.

New DOT 3/4/5.1 is clear or amber so you can tell it is new/fresh fluid (it gets darker as it goes bad)

Silicone DOT 5 is purple, so you can distinguish it from the non-silicone stuff since the two will not mix and will form a goop if mixed (and also, DOT 5 silicone cannot be used with ABS)

Re: Brake Flluid Color / Our Government at it's Finest [Re: redbone3] #4456522
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I recently found a can of super blue hanging out among some of my car supplies. Must be 10 years old. Given that it's sealed, would there be any problem using this for my next brake fluid flush in my infiniti?

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Re: Brake Flluid Color / Our Government at it's Finest [Re: MarcS] #4456526
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Originally Posted By: MarcS
I recently found a can of super blue hanging out among some of my car supplies. Must be 10 years old. Given that it's sealed, would there be any problem using this for my next brake fluid flush in my infiniti?


I seriously doubt it.


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Re: Brake Flluid Color / Our Government at it's Finest [Re: redbone3] #4456541
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The blue/amber "helps brake bleeding" was completely oversold, but it made for some good ad copy.

Super Blue started as a higher-performance "racing" fluid. When the non-dyed version became available, it eliminated any substantive reason for SB to exist.

Re: Brake Flluid Color / Our Government at it's Finest [Re: Carmudgeon] #4456557
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Originally Posted By: Carmudgeon
The blue/amber "helps brake bleeding" was completely oversold, but it made for some good ad copy.

Super Blue started as a higher-performance "racing" fluid. When the non-dyed version became available, it eliminated any substantive reason for SB to exist.


Why do you feel the blue/red brake bleeding benefit is oversold?

I have a friend that used to have a Viper he raced regularly, and we always used Super Blue and ATE200 alternately, for brake fluid changes after a race. He said it made the job so much easier.

I have never got the chance, as Super Blue was pulled from the shelves literally weeks before I tried to order some for the first time.


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Re: Brake Flluid Color / Our Government at it's Finest [Re: slacktide_bitog] #4456559
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Originally Posted By: slacktide_bitog


Silicone DOT 5 is purple, so you can distinguish it from the non-silicone stuff since the two will not mix and will form a goop if mixed (and also, DOT 5 silicone cannot be used with ABS)

Don't forget certain British cars use mineral oil for their brakes - dyed green and marked with a green triangle with an oil drop. Rolls-Royce and Bentley also uses a fortified DOT3 fluid with castor oil to lubricate the fluid pumps - all RR&B cars have a shared brake and suspension hydraulic system, hence the mineral oil/fortified fluid requirement.

Re: Brake Flluid Color / Our Government at it's Finest [Re: nthach] #4456611
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Originally Posted By: MarcS
I recently found a can of super blue hanging out among some of my car supplies. Must be 10 years old. Given that it's sealed, would there be any problem using this for my next brake fluid flush in my infiniti?


It's a metal can, so it will be fine smile

[quote=nthach
Don't forget certain British cars use mineral oil for their brakes - dyed green and marked with a green triangle with an oil drop. Rolls-Royce and Bentley also uses a fortified DOT3 fluid with castor oil to lubricate the fluid pumps - all RR&B cars have a shared brake and suspension hydraulic system, hence the mineral oil/fortified fluid requirement. [/quote]

True, but there aren't really many of those in the US, and in most of those cases, they don't do the work themselves and go to a specialty shop or the dealer. And those who do know it's different than regular brake fluid

RR used the fortified DOT3 you describe in the 70s' it's called RR363. It can also be used in 60's Citroens that called for LHS. But RR and Citroen eventually switched to LHM, the green mineral oil

Re: Brake Flluid Color / Our Government at it's Finest [Re: redbone3] #4456672
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Originally Posted By: redbone3
In line with President Trump's initiative to reduce unneeded regulations I request that the regulation requiring brake fluid to be "clear" be eliminated.


Did you just invoke the president's name as if it were some magical incantation that would make blue brake fluid come back? Were you hoping that some government bureaucrat would say to himself "Gee, if Trump wants blue brake fluid, I guess it's OK...."? crackmeup

Originally Posted By: redbone3

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