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#4456085 - 07/11/17 10:34 AM RockAuto UltraFast Toyota copy used oil filter cut
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Registered: 07/04/16
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Hey guys as promised here are the pics of the Toyota copy filter I previously posted the virgin cut pics of. This filter was in use for 5515 miles with PYB SAE 30 in my 2004 Lexus ES330. No drama here looks good. ADBV was a little stiff but still pliable. ADBV action after removing the filter wasn't great as it leaked oil when turned over. No startup issues noted in use. It was good enough for me to spin on another one to run for another 5k.













A UOA with particle count to compare with the previously run Fram Ultra is forthcoming.
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#4456124 - 07/11/17 11:19 AM Re: RockAuto UltraFast Toyota copy used oil filter cut [Re: FlyNavyP3]
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Filter element looks great. Thanks for sharing.
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#4456139 - 07/11/17 11:28 AM Re: RockAuto UltraFast Toyota copy used oil filter cut [Re: FlyNavyP3]
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We never did determine the COO for these in that other thread.

We don't see the louvered center tubes in China made filters that I know of.
I still find it interesting these have the "P" style gasket, you just don't see that often.

Looks good overall, and interested to see the particle count.
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#4456201 - 07/11/17 12:25 PM Re: RockAuto UltraFast Toyota copy used oil filter cut [Re: FlyNavyP3]
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Looks clean-thanks

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#4456318 - 07/11/17 01:52 PM Re: RockAuto UltraFast Toyota copy used oil filter cut [Re: FlyNavyP3]
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Looks good and did you put VWB SAE 30 or PYB SAE 30?

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#4456667 - 07/11/17 08:15 PM Re: RockAuto UltraFast Toyota copy used oil filter cut [Re: car51]
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Originally Posted By: car51
Looks good and did you put VWB SAE 30 or PYB SAE 30?


His post says PYB.

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#4456766 - 07/11/17 09:34 PM Re: RockAuto UltraFast Toyota copy used oil filter cut [Re: car51]
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Originally Posted By: car51
Looks good and did you put VWB SAE 30 or PYB SAE 30?


Refilled with Valvoline SynPower 20w50 from end of the year clearance sales. Moving into the hottest part of the summer here so I figured why not. Will run it another 5k and refill with something else from the stash.
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#4457722 - 07/12/17 09:27 PM Re: RockAuto UltraFast Toyota copy used oil filter cut [Re: FlyNavyP3]
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Looks like it did a fine job. I would use those all day long. Thanks.
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#4460976 - 07/16/17 02:14 PM Re: RockAuto UltraFast Toyota copy used oil filter cut [Re: sw99]
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Registered: 07/04/16
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Loc: Jacksonville, FL
Originally Posted By: sw99
Looks like it did a fine job. I would use those all day long. Thanks.


We will see what the UOA and particle count shows. Either way it worked and didn't tear in the 5,500 miles it was on the car with SAE 30 oil in use. So in other words better than some Purolator filters...
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#4461022 - 07/16/17 03:19 PM Re: RockAuto UltraFast Toyota copy used oil filter cut [Re: FlyNavyP3]
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Originally Posted By: FlyNavyP3
Originally Posted By: sw99
Looks like it did a fine job. I would use those all day long. Thanks.


We will see what the UOA and particle count shows. Either way it worked and didn't tear in the 5,500 miles it was on the car with SAE 30 oil in use. So in other words better than some Purolator filters...


LOL! You're correct as I have reservations on using my Bosch Distance +

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#4461040 - 07/16/17 03:53 PM Re: RockAuto UltraFast Toyota copy used oil filter cut [Re: car51]
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Originally Posted By: car51

LOL! You're correct as I have reservations on using my Bosch Distance +

That is the only Puro made filter I don't have a problem using (I have 4-5 in my filter stash).
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#4465284 - 07/20/17 06:19 PM Re: RockAuto UltraFast Toyota copy used oil filter cut [Re: FlyNavyP3]
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So, my UOA came back on this filter run complete with particle count...

The results were, well, surprising.

It was run for a shorter distance but it was a conventional oil, and the PC is cleaner than with PUP and a Fram Ultra... see below for yourself.

UOA with particle count compared to Fram Ultra filter
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#4465364 - 07/20/17 07:20 PM Re: RockAuto UltraFast Toyota copy used oil filter cut [Re: FlyNavyP3]
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Loc: california
It's too easy to get caught up in marketing that anything synthetic is automatically best. A cellulose media has nature's randomness, synthetic with all the same size fibers not so much randomness. The only thing that counts is what is in the oil pan at change time. The parts of a cellulose filter that are very dense and fine can and do act like tiny bypass filters. I think a synthetic blend may be the best of both worlds. IMHO USA

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#4470167 - 07/25/17 03:42 PM Re: RockAuto UltraFast Toyota copy used oil filter cut [Re: FlyNavyP3]
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Registered: 12/29/10
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Loc: Los Angeles, California
Thank you for the update, Sir!

The RockAuto Chinese Toyota-knock-off counterfeit oil filter looks OK and performed OK according to the particle count.

However, after visiting your previous UOA, Fram Ultra particle counts look dismal. They are somewhat in the unacceptable range for an engine oil filter. What went wrong with the Fram Ultra? Did it clog and run in the bypass mode? Did Blackstone make a mistake in the particle counts? You certainly had no wear metals at all though. How do we explain the BITOG-darling mighty Fram Ultra performing so miserably? Unfortunately I can't find any other Fram Ultra particle counts on the Internet. If these numbers are real, Fram Ultra is a very poor-quality oil filter in real-life applications. Let's hope not.

How do you sample your oil by the way? Dipstick? Midstream oil drain?

https://www.blackstone-labs.com/particle-count-test.php


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#4470186 - 07/25/17 04:05 PM Re: RockAuto UltraFast Toyota copy used oil filter cut [Re: Gokhan]
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Registered: 07/22/10
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Loc: PNW
Originally Posted By: Gokhan
However, after visiting your previous UOA, Fram Ultra particle counts look dismal. They are somewhat in the unacceptable range for an engine oil filter. What went wrong with the Fram Ultra? Did it clog and run in the bypass mode? Did Blackstone make a mistake in the particle counts? You certainly had no wear metals at all though. How do we explain the BITOG-darling mighty Fram Ultra performing so miserably? Unfortunately I can't find any other Fram Ultra particle counts on the Internet. If these numbers are real, Fram Ultra is a very poor-quality oil filter in real-life applications. Let's hope not.


One data point ... I'd call it a fluke, or something went wrong with the filter and/or PC process until proven otherwise. There was also someone else who posted particle count data for a Fram TG (almost as efficient as the Ultra) used on a motorcycle with shared transmission/clutch, and the PC after 5K miles was cleaner than the new oil in the bottle. Link HERE

According to Blackstone's ISO Code "cleanliness scale" for engine lubes (your link), those are both "dirty". Probably need a full blown 2 micron bypass filtering setup to get well into the "clean" realm or better.
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