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My 2005 Northstar died today with 115k #4455761
07/10/17 09:25 PM
07/10/17 09:25 PM
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Warner Robins, GA
nwjones18 Offline OP
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Lost the Engine in my 05 STS V8 today with only 115k miles on it. A couple thousand miles ago it threw a bunch of camshaft position sensor codes shop said oil needed changing (only had 5k miles on it) and this miraculously seemed to cure the problem. Fast forward to today (175 miles from home and on the way back from a 1500 mile trip) car started running rough then roughly 5 seconds later I lost all power. Had it towed to a shop in Montgomery and they said oil was silver, it was I saw it, and that it had 0 compression on 3 cylinders on the right bank and 50psi on the 4th. Best guess is it skipped timing and trashed itself. Car has never missed an oil change and never used any oil.. Tough pill to swallow. Having used engine installed (2008 with 93k miles) to the tune of $3500.

Here's my post about the initial problem.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4400457/Re:_2005_sts_V8_Camshaft_Actua#Post4400457


1988 F-150. 4.9 I6 247k. 10w-40 Castrol Syn-blend ACDelco UPF2.
2005 Cadillac STS N* 108k. 5w-30 Castrol Magnatec ACDelco Classic PF61
Re: My 2005 Northstar died today with 115k [Re: nwjones18] #4455769
07/10/17 09:33 PM
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115k - 93K = 22K

Not enough time to get you're money's worth.

I have a relative with a 2010 Caddy on it's second engine. It's trashed too, he's trying to offload it for $5K "much more than that into it." He's sure it only needs "a little work."

No takers.


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Re: My 2005 Northstar died today with 115k [Re: nwjones18] #4455771
07/10/17 09:36 PM
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Darn. A friend had a 2000 SLS w/Northstar. Awesome running engine, just too bad they're as fragile and unserviceable as they are.


To quote a friend, "Synthetics, man."

'85 GMC C3500, 454, 132K
'82 Mercedes 300CD, OM617 turbo, 173K (totaled 2018, in rehab)
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Re: My 2005 Northstar died today with 115k [Re: nwjones18] #4455772
07/10/17 09:36 PM
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Houston, Texas
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I thought the northstar was supposed to be a good engine.


2007.5 dodge cummins 6.7 liter. Chevron Delo400 15w40. 7000 mile or 250-300hr intervals.

Re: My 2005 Northstar died today with 115k [Re: nwjones18] #4455774
07/10/17 09:36 PM
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motor_oil_madman Offline
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Did I mention I hate GM products?


2007.5 dodge cummins 6.7 liter. Chevron Delo400 15w40. 7000 mile or 250-300hr intervals.

Re: My 2005 Northstar died today with 115k [Re: motor_oil_madman] #4455779
07/10/17 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted By: motor_oil_madman
I thought the northstar was supposed to be a good engine.


I thought so too, at least from a power perspective. Never owned one though. And from the negative threads I've read about them, probably won't ever own one. I've had good luck with the Ford/Lincoln 4.6L engines over the past 15 years and may stick with those a while longer.

Sorry to hear that the OP's Northstar bit the bullet.


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2001 Lincoln Cont 4.6L DOHC/ 39K mi / QS HM 5w30 / FUG XG2
1999 Camaro SS M6 /19K /Mobil 1 0w40 /Fram UG /GM MTL-ATF
1969 Ply GTX/RRs
Re: My 2005 Northstar died today with 115k [Re: motor_oil_madman] #4455780
07/10/17 09:43 PM
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Warner Robins, GA
nwjones18 Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: motor_oil_madman
I thought the northstar was supposed to be a good engine.


I've really never heard much bad about the RWD version of the Northstar that is in my car. One of the main reasons I got the car was the engines good reputation. My only other option was to pay the $200 diagnosis fee then call the Montgomery junk man and sell it to him for $300. Figure this way I will get a few more years out of the car, which I really liked, before today anyhow.


1988 F-150. 4.9 I6 247k. 10w-40 Castrol Syn-blend ACDelco UPF2.
2005 Cadillac STS N* 108k. 5w-30 Castrol Magnatec ACDelco Classic PF61
Re: My 2005 Northstar died today with 115k [Re: motor_oil_madman] #4455781
07/10/17 09:43 PM
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CKN Offline
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Originally Posted By: motor_oil_madman
Did I mention I hate GM products?


GM makes some great motors-the Northstar just isn't one of them. Ford has had plenty of both gas and diesel "not so reliable" motors-especially diesels.

Last edited by CKN; 07/10/17 09:44 PM.
Re: My 2005 Northstar died today with 115k [Re: nwjones18] #4455792
07/10/17 10:03 PM
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WNY
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The north stars can be great motors when timing chains aren't stretched and a quality head stud kit is added.

Perhaps make sure this timing chain is in good serviceable limits.


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14 Civic EX Coupe - NAPA Syn 0W-20 TG7317, 64k
09 Accord Sedan 5MT - Traveler 15W-40 XG7317, 151k
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Re: My 2005 Northstar died today with 115k [Re: motor_oil_madman] #4455795
07/10/17 10:10 PM
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Deplorable in apple valley, ca
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Originally Posted By: motor_oil_madman
I thought the northstar was supposed to be a good engine.
no they are know to be garbage.


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Re: My 2005 Northstar died today with 115k [Re: motor_oil_madman] #4455803
07/10/17 10:27 PM
07/10/17 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted By: motor_oil_madman
Did I mention I hate GM products?


Ever hear of the Chrysler 2.7L sludge monster? But that's different.....

Every brand has a dud or 2, sucks when you end up with one.


86 Samurai 1.3 leftovers
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16 Silverado 1500 4.3, DI, AFM 5W-30 PP

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Re: My 2005 Northstar died today with 115k [Re: nwjones18] #4455809
07/10/17 10:48 PM
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I hear horror stories about the North star. Funny, the 94 DeVille we had, we drove it like a corvette, often cruising at limited speed of 114 and 0 to 60 to 0 to so on all day, always with a trunk full of tools ( compressor and such construction stuff)
We beat on it like a redheaded stepchild, then the tranny gave out North of 260k. Poor thing had a hard life, and I was a fool (then) to think that engine was the bees knees. Oh, and 24mpg avg. But of course nothing t like the 3.1 Lumina, that tranny gave out at North of 420k equally molested (if not more so) miles.


95 Cherokee 190K DELO 10W30, XG8
07 IS250 103K Napa 10w30, FULL
04 YZF-R1 19K DELO 15w40, XG7317
99 HD XL1200S 21K VR1 20w50, NG1515
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Re: My 2005 Northstar died today with 115k [Re: motor_oil_madman] #4455811
07/10/17 10:49 PM
07/10/17 10:49 PM
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Fort Worth, Texas
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Originally Posted By: motor_oil_madman
Did I mention I hate GM products?


As many problems as your Dodge has given you?


2001 Chevy Camaro L92/4L80E
2006 Chevy 2500HD LBZ/Allison 1000
2010 Toyota Corolla 2ZR-FE/U341E
2000 Toyota Avalon 1MZ-FE/A541E
Re: My 2005 Northstar died today with 115k [Re: nwjones18] #4455815
07/10/17 11:07 PM
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Virginia
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How about the notorious Oldsmobile Diesel cars of the 80's?
I had a friend who got five thousand miles, on three engines...

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a6599/top-automotive-engineering-failures-oldsmobile-diesels/


2009 Smart Pure
Pennzoil Platinum Euro 0W-40, Purolator Synthetic PSL 14610, 45 mpg...
185/55R15 General HP tires, "H" speed rated, 44 psi (300 kpa)
Re: My 2005 Northstar died today with 115k [Re: mattwithcats] #4455820
07/10/17 11:19 PM
07/10/17 11:19 PM
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Utah
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Originally Posted By: mattwithcats
How about the notorious Oldsmobile Diesel cars of the 80's?
I had a friend who got five thousand miles, on three engines...

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a6599/top-automotive-engineering-failures-oldsmobile-diesels/




You had to go back 40ish years for that one.........The Ford 6.0 diesels are a lot more current than those.

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