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#4454939 - 07/10/17 06:16 AM Evacuated tube transport the end of Airlines?
LoneRanger Offline


Registered: 07/02/07
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http://www.et3.net/

4000 mph international, 400 mph domestic. Elon Musk's version:

http://www.spacex.com/hyperloop

Innovative "personal pod" version with Proof of Concept due by 2020, operational network online by 2040:

https://www.hyperchariot.com/

Okay, so they won't displace airlines just yet, but Wow !! Sounds like something off the Jetsons !!
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#4454947 - 07/10/17 06:26 AM Re: Evacuated tube transport the end of Airlines? [Re: LoneRanger]
madRiver Offline


Registered: 07/11/15
Posts: 3609
Loc: New England
I don't trust Musk for safe travel. He will sacrifice safety at expense of rolling product out quickly/near finished.

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#4454953 - 07/10/17 06:39 AM Re: Evacuated tube transport the end of Airlines? [Re: LoneRanger]
Shannow Offline


Registered: 12/12/02
Posts: 40174
Loc: 'Stralia
Yep,
he's pulling a swifty on his S.A. battery deal too...

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#4454956 - 07/10/17 06:41 AM Re: Evacuated tube transport the end of Airlines? [Re: LoneRanger]
Syntheticuser Offline


Registered: 06/11/17
Posts: 147
Loc: Waco, Tx.
They need to do something with the airlines. They are just pathetic. I hope something like this works safely. Those jerks made a two year old kid ride on his mother's lap after they took the kid's seat that they lady paid for. Such jerks. They all need to go bankrupt. This would help bring another sensible way to travel. Those idiots deserve to lose their jobs.

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#4455005 - 07/10/17 07:48 AM Re: Evacuated tube transport the end of Airlines? [Re: Syntheticuser]
Astro14 Offline


Registered: 10/10/10
Posts: 8611
Loc: Virginia Beach
Originally Posted By: Syntheticuser
They need to do something with the airlines. They are just pathetic. I hope something like this works safely. Those jerks made a two year old kid ride on his mother's lap after they took the kid's seat that they lady paid for. Such jerks. They all need to go bankrupt. This would help bring another sensible way to travel. Those idiots deserve to lose their jobs.


Fascinating, how you can draw such firm conclusions without facts...

They did, in fact, go bankrupt. Most of them.

In your specious example, the real jerk was the guy that showed up, saw a seat duplication and then took the kid's seat, and said nothing. The mother who said nothing makes me wonder as well...then she immediately brings up her race and how she was "scared"...you don't see an agenda in that?

I've seen seat duplications, they happen, even with computers...and the folks involved are always quite loud about it...so, why was nothing said?

The ugly reality of airlines is this: they have provided what consumers demand.

Forbes: Airlines provide what consumers want

Every time an airline provides better service (more room, more amenities) it fails to sell. People don't want to pay for it. People look at pictures of air travel in the 60s and romanticize it. They see how roomy coach was back then. Well, of course it was. Because they were regulated, and a coach seat, round trip, cost over $1,000. When my Dad paid $2,800 for his new Ford wagon.

I sat next to a passenger the other day who made comments similar to yours. "The airlines are all terrible, they provide a lousy product, I wish Emirates flew in the US, like those Jennifer Aniston ads. You know, real air travel!" So, together, we looked up what it cost to book an Emirates suite to London...a whole suite to yourself...sounds great, right?

$30,000

Each way.

Sure, you can get better, but you, the traveling public, aren't willing to pay for it.

So, the airlines give you what you want: cheap. And they have to fill up the planes to make a profit. So, every overhead bin is full, and every middle seat has someone in it. Sorry for the experience, but it's what you want.

And the airlines have a 4-7% profit margin. Perilously thin. Far more thin than most industries.

So, I recommend that you look into fractional ownership of your own business jet. You can experience real air travel. Lots of room. Direct service. Exactly what you want when you want it.

Otherwise, you'll have to settle for what the public demands: cheap and crowded.

The market has spoken.
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#4455013 - 07/10/17 08:04 AM Re: Evacuated tube transport the end of Airlines? [Re: LoneRanger]
wwillson Offline

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Registered: 08/20/03
Posts: 2186
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Astro,

You hit the nail on the head! Businesses must provide what the pubic demands.

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#4455017 - 07/10/17 08:19 AM Re: Evacuated tube transport the end of Airlines? [Re: LoneRanger]
69GTX Offline


Registered: 09/23/15
Posts: 3815
Loc: Connecticut
Back in 1988 I paid $220-$240 for round trip tickets from Hartford, CT to LAX....one stop over. The service was fine. That was 29 years ago. Hard to believe that same flight in the 1960's was $1,000.

Round trip ticket to Germany in the 1960's was $300. Roughly worth $1400 today.
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#4455019 - 07/10/17 08:20 AM Re: Evacuated tube transport the end of Airlines? [Re: wwillson]
Astro14 Offline


Registered: 10/10/10
Posts: 8611
Loc: Virginia Beach
Originally Posted By: wwillson
Astro,

You hit the nail on the head! Businesses must provide what the pubic demands.


Thanks Wayne.

The sad truth of the airlines is that they DO provide what the public wants...but the public doesn't want to accept that unpleasant reality.

That's why those news stories resonate; no one is happy with air travel.

But Spirit Airlines, by all objective measures, the worst airline in customer service, the worst in operational performance, the worst in passenger comfort and amenities, the airline that charges for checked bags AND for carry on bags, the poster child for every complaint about air travel...

Spirit Airlines is one of the fastest growing!

That's what the market wants!

Sadly...
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#4455022 - 07/10/17 08:23 AM Re: Evacuated tube transport the end of Airlines? [Re: 69GTX]
Astro14 Offline


Registered: 10/10/10
Posts: 8611
Loc: Virginia Beach
Originally Posted By: 69GTX
Back in 1988 I paid $220-$240 for round trip tickets from Hartford, CT to LAX....one stop over. The service was fine. That was 29 years ago. Hard to believe that same flight in the 1960's was $1,000.


Yep.

My Dad flew 250,000 miles on United from 1967-1969. They sent him a nice bronze plaque. He always flew coach, though his company paid for his travel.

His complaint: each first class ticket cost MORE than his new Country Squire. He just couldn't bring himself to spend that much, even if it was someone else's money.

Adjust your 1988 ticket for inflation, and you'll see that air travel remains cheap...
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#4455032 - 07/10/17 08:32 AM Re: Evacuated tube transport the end of Airlines? [Re: LoneRanger]
Syntheticuser Offline


Registered: 06/11/17
Posts: 147
Loc: Waco, Tx.
I dislike airlines with a passion. I've had god awful service the few times I did fly. It sucked. My experience, not yours. Some people on this forum hate guns, diesel trucks, good looking women...things that I say help make life more enjoyable.
Astro, you make it out to be that I had not paid for first class tickets the fee times i flew. I did, give me my monies worth is what I wanted...never got it. I pay more for quality, when I can get better products or services.

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#4455051 - 07/10/17 08:52 AM Re: Evacuated tube transport the end of Airlines? [Re: Astro14]
Leo99 Offline


Registered: 03/30/14
Posts: 3115
Loc: NJ
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Originally Posted By: Syntheticuser
They need to do something with the airlines. They are just pathetic. I hope something like this works safely. Those jerks made a two year old kid ride on his mother's lap after they took the kid's seat that they lady paid for. Such jerks. They all need to go bankrupt. This would help bring another sensible way to travel. Those idiots deserve to lose their jobs.


Fascinating, how you can draw such firm conclusions without facts...

They did, in fact, go bankrupt. Most of them.

In your specious example, the real jerk was the guy that showed up, saw a seat duplication and then took the kid's seat, and said nothing. The mother who said nothing makes me wonder as well...then she immediately brings up her race and how she was "scared"...you don't see an agenda in that?

I've seen seat duplications, they happen, even with computers...and the folks involved are always quite loud about it...so, why was nothing said?

The ugly reality of airlines is this: they have provided what consumers demand.

Forbes: Airlines provide what consumers want

Every time an airline provides better service (more room, more amenities) it fails to sell. People don't want to pay for it. People look at pictures of air travel in the 60s and romanticize it. They see how roomy coach was back then. Well, of course it was. Because they were regulated, and a coach seat, round trip, cost over $1,000. When my Dad paid $2,800 for his new Ford wagon.

I sat next to a passenger the other day who made comments similar to yours. "The airlines are all terrible, they provide a lousy product, I wish Emirates flew in the US, like those Jennifer Aniston ads. You know, real air travel!" So, together, we looked up what it cost to book an Emirates suite to London...a whole suite to yourself...sounds great, right?

$30,000

Each way.

Sure, you can get better, but you, the traveling public, aren't willing to pay for it.

So, the airlines give you what you want: cheap. And they have to fill up the planes to make a profit. So, every overhead bin is full, and every middle seat has someone in it. Sorry for the experience, but it's what you want.

And the airlines have a 4-7% profit margin. Perilously thin. Far more thin than most industries.

So, I recommend that you look into fractional ownership of your own business jet. You can experience real air travel. Lots of room. Direct service. Exactly what you want when you want it.

Otherwise, you'll have to settle for what the public demands: cheap and crowded.

The market has spoken.


What I read was that the little kid's boarding pass wasn't scanned. I can see that happening; trying to get a 2 year old ready to board. Since the boarding pass didn't scan, the airline thought they had an empty seat.

The guy they gave the seat doesn't know any of this. He's on standby and given a seat. He sees a little kid in the seat doesn't know it was the kid's seat he took if no one tells him. I've sat next to mothers and their little kids on planes. Never occurred to me I was kicking the kid out of their seat.

The pubic doesn't demand crowded. Just cheap.
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#4455064 - 07/10/17 09:12 AM Re: Evacuated tube transport the end of Airlines? [Re: LoneRanger]
Syntheticuser Offline


Registered: 06/11/17
Posts: 147
Loc: Waco, Tx.
For the love of god, when I pay good money for a better product or service, I expect to get it. I don't go into Lowe's and tell the clerk that I want the CHEAPEST washer and dryer that they have in stock, then try to argue the price down even more. I will do 6 months worth of research and get the best quality I can...not the cheapest. I WILL pay for quality....But I expect to get it. With the airlines, that didn't happen.

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#4455083 - 07/10/17 09:30 AM Re: Evacuated tube transport the end of Airlines? [Re: LoneRanger]
OneEyeJack Offline


Registered: 09/14/10
Posts: 7485
Loc: S California
The people working for the airlines are wonderful if you compare them with TSA people.

Last year a tiny little 4 year old girl came running out from a pat down pulling her mother along to the little girl's father crying and saying that lady touched my private place. The parents complained and the TSA people held them up just long enough to miss their flight. An airline person escorted them to the airline's first class lounge to give them some privacy and put them on the next flight with first class tickets for no extra charge. Score one for the airlines.

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#4455089 - 07/10/17 09:34 AM Re: Evacuated tube transport the end of Airlines? [Re: LoneRanger]
Syntheticuser Offline


Registered: 06/11/17
Posts: 147
Loc: Waco, Tx.
So...even the Grinch can have a soft moment. I still don't like them.

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#4455113 - 07/10/17 09:55 AM Re: Evacuated tube transport the end of Airlines? [Re: LoneRanger]
KrisZ Offline


Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 7508
Loc: Toronto, Canada
People like to complain about stuff plain and simple. Flying and airlines is very easy to complain about because most people have no clue how it all works or how expensive/heavily regulated commercial flights are and therefore it's easy to find a sympathetic response.

I just quickly googled a flight from NY to LA and the cost is roughly between $500 to $700 without any special deals. If one chose to drive something that gets about 25 mpg on the highway, you have to spend roughly $250 for gas alone. On top of that you have to arrange hotels/motels and it's not like these are all super clean, or free right? Not to mention spending several days on the road.
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