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Re: Hate for Cyclists [Re: john_pifer] #4454424
07/09/17 04:10 PM
07/09/17 04:10 PM
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Frankfort, Kentucky
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I think hate for cyclists is not the correct phrase. I think hate for ignorance is. Most cyclists I see ride like I would if I was 12 years old. 2 aside, slow, and nowhere near the curb. If there is a bike lane on a road, I usually try to avoid the road entirely.

Re: Hate for Cyclists [Re: john_pifer] #4454446
07/09/17 04:27 PM
07/09/17 04:27 PM
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Amazing, this thread has gone to page 2 without going totally sideways. Riding way on the right always is mentioned. Not a good idea for several reasons. You have no margin for anything if you have no road to the right. That's where all the road debris gets swept to by traffic, and that means flats. If you ride right on the edge people try more to squeeze past where it's unsafe. 2 across riding is arrogant but the safest place to ride is in the right tire track. Like anything, cyclists are always judged by the bad examples.


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Re: Hate for Cyclists [Re: john_pifer] #4454450
07/09/17 04:34 PM
07/09/17 04:34 PM
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San Antonio, TX
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San Antonio, TX
I used to ride on Friday nights with a large group in town. There was close to 200 people. We would start at the Alamo at 9 pm and ride all over, a different route each week. I stopped because for one, people don't know how to ride in groups. There is a massive concentration of people riding and some can't ride in a straight line. I didn't see any pile ups but I could see it might happen. The group stops at bars and drinks too on the way. Once time, I didnt go and my brother did. He said one guy ran right into a cop. Not sure of the outcome of that one. Then, they run lights. I've done my share of light running on a bike downtown, but I felt like I was invincible then I guess. I do enjoy biking but I don't want to get run over. I ride alone now or with a couple of friends and I don't go on highways or major roads with speed limits over 35. I actually prefer trail riding. Just gotta worry about trees and deer, not volvos and F150's. A couple got killer here a few years back near my work on a major road. It was an accident. I knew the guy who hit them. The couple left behind a young daughter. What they were doing was legal, but in my opinion stupid. You may have the right of way but you have no protection. When I was 18, I nearly ran over my neighbor in a wheel chair who was out on a walk with her husband. It was dark and they had no light and were not on the sidewalk. I was driving too fast in my van that had terrible headlights. She ripped me a new one and rightfully so. I did tell her she needed to have some kind of light because she was hard to see. All i got from her is she had a right to be there. I said ok and just apologized. That right wouldn't bring her back from the dead after she goes through my radiator.


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Re: Hate for Cyclists [Re: john_pifer] #4454456
07/09/17 04:40 PM
07/09/17 04:40 PM
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San Antonio, TX
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I recently yelled out at a guy on my street, which is a busy street that I couldn't see him well. He was riding at night with black clothes and no light. I wasn't yelling because he was on a bike, but because he was being stupid and gonna get hit by someone. Ive already had two people drive through my yard and my dog hit on this street. The dog was my fault because he wasn't on a leash and he ran, but people aren't paying attention and they don't slow down even when they see dogs near the edge of the road.


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Re: Hate for Cyclists [Re: john_pifer] #4454457
07/09/17 04:41 PM
07/09/17 04:41 PM
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CentralPA
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Although I don't hate cyclists at all,in 40 yrs of driving in PA ans many other states, I haveYET to see one stop at a redlight or stop sign unless they knew they would get hit or even use hand signals! Same rights,same rules. Much safer for all


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Re: Hate for Cyclists [Re: 92saturnsl2] #4454458
07/09/17 04:43 PM
07/09/17 04:43 PM
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USA
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Originally Posted By: 92saturnsl2
I don't get why so many cyclists go out of their way to assert their freedoms on the roadway, deliberately inconveniencing the drivers around them. This happens a lot where I live, they will give the finger and make all sorts of deliberate gestures that essentially say "what i'm doing is legal, [censored] with everyone else." I treat it as just that-- an inconvenience. No different than a semi passing another semi on a 2 lane highway that's going 0.000000001 mph faster than the other-- which takes an eternity, and you're stuck forever going 5mph under the speed limit. An inconvenience is not worth getting road rage or being stupid over. I treat those cyclists the same, cuss at them under my breath and move on.

Obviously that's not to say that all cyclists are that way. But really, just because it's legal to do something, doesn't mean you SHOULD do that. I have freedoms to do a lot of things, but I don't go around doing things just because I can. If I can make simple gesture that saves the time and aggravation of another, without inconveniencing myself, I certainly try.


This is an odd argument to me.

You are saying that some people should give up their legal rights for your convenience.

And it is not your legal right to travel at the posted speed limit. These bicyclists are not denying you of any right. The roadways are multi-use. That means they may have farm equipment, construction equipment, elderly and physically impaired operators and various types of vehicles that are following the laws and rules of the public roadways. They are traveling at a safe speed for the opersation of their vehicle or physical ability.

If someone can't function on the roadways without developing the anger you describe above then maybe scheduling more time to arrive at a destination might be something to consider.

And I am not even a bicyclist.

Personally, I am of the opinion that The Laws of the Public Roadways may entitle someone to ride a bicycle; however, the Laws of Physics win every time--mass wins !

But I fully support the Rights of all those who choose to exercise them.


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Re: Hate for Cyclists [Re: sleddriver] #4454471
07/09/17 05:06 PM
07/09/17 05:06 PM
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USA
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Originally Posted By: sleddriver
Wow...he was lucky. And the "dean of students" just embarrassed his employer and forgot his position.

I do understand the anger from a drivers standpoint as a few, some, will get political, organize massive rides to completely block a popular roadway, bringing it to a crawl.


Austin Tx is currently going nuts with removing car lanes, to add bike lanes, restriping roads, all the while doing nothing regarding their traffic problems & grid-lock. The mayor & city council actually believe commuting by bike is an answer to traffic congestion. Needless to say, many are quite frustrated by them continuing to ignore a problem they created.


Some might argue that encouraging bicycle commuting by the creation of dedicated bike lanes IS addressing the traffic problem and gridlock.

The reality is our current laws and roadways fail to provide for the safe operation of a bicycle. Cyclists are hit and killed daily even while following all the rules of the road and being courteous. The Laws in many States clearly stipulate that two vehicles are not to ride side by side in the same single lane of traffic. That goes for bicycle-bicycle, motocycle-motorcycle AND CAR-bicycle. A bicycle does not have the legal requirement to stay on the right shoulder of the road so a car can pass him in the same lane of traffic. The bicycle has a legal right to occupy whatever width of the traffic lane is required to proceed in a safe manner. That includes riding in the middle of that lane to prevent vehicles from attempting to pass in a manner that places the bicyclist in peril.

I have worked on road construction projects. The roadways are absolutely loaded with drivers who are distracted and who have no concept of the mechanical limitations of the vehicles they are operating. This is the reason all States now require vehicles to either move over one lane or slow down when passing an emergency vehicle stopped along the side of the road.

Bicyclists have no such law protecting them and they are exposed to the same risk. A smart cyclist is one who drives both defensively and offensively...and the same goes for my fellow motorcyclists.

Last edited by ArcticDriver; 07/09/17 05:07 PM.

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Re: Hate for Cyclists [Re: john_pifer] #4454473
07/09/17 05:08 PM
07/09/17 05:08 PM
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NY
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NY
People seem to go out of their way to antagonize each other these days. The end result of too much societal fragmentation.

I ride mountain bikes. Never on the street if I can help it! I always give cyclists a wide berth when passing, but it seems I'm the only aware driver within a quarter mile radius most days.

The cyclists playing dress up like they're in the Tour de France are the most annoying, take up the entire lane to force you to pace them and then proceed to roll thru every stop and light they come across. I guess equal rights only to your benefit...

Personally I could care less who is being a jerk around me, but that sort of behavior triggers the less stable amongst us. And to think some other poor [censored] pays for the sin of the previous idiot.

No civilization without civil behavior.

Re: Hate for Cyclists [Re: john_pifer] #4454491
07/09/17 05:33 PM
07/09/17 05:33 PM
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S California
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One problem with riding a bike is that you can be "dead" right.

Re: Hate for Cyclists [Re: john_pifer] #4454509
07/09/17 05:58 PM
07/09/17 05:58 PM
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Orlando, FL
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Orlando, FL
Drivers simply need to use caution when they are close to anyone on a bicycle.

Re: Hate for Cyclists [Re: john_pifer] #4454510
07/09/17 05:59 PM
07/09/17 05:59 PM
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New England
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New England
I ride, but only on trails. It's just too dangerous on the road. Right, wrong, right of way or not, I don't want to get hit.

Around here, the bikes ride in large groups that take up the whole lane on curving roads making it difficult and dangerous to get around them. They're a hazard to themselves and the auto drivers to be honest. The bicyclists don't pay any taxes in support of the roads either.


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Re: Hate for Cyclists [Re: Lolvoguy] #4454538
07/09/17 06:37 PM
07/09/17 06:37 PM
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Upstate NY
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Upstate NY
Originally Posted By: Lolvoguy
I wonder how this will affect the Volvo reputation for safety?

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Don't laugh - that's part of crash tests in many locations. Design to minimize damage to pedestrians/cyclists, frequently by making the hood further from rigid inside parts (like the engine)


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Re: Hate for Cyclists [Re: john_pifer] #4454553
07/09/17 06:43 PM
07/09/17 06:43 PM
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Posts: 9,169
North Carolina
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North Carolina
I used to cycle a lot. I refused to ride in groups unless it was a closed road event. I never rode tandem with anyone on roads, only single file and one of us would slow so the other could pass quickly.

The issue is there are a lot of cyclists that ride with good manners, and a few bad apples that make motorists angry. Then some are angry at any cyclist due the the actions of a few.

Things like riding 2 or 3 wide , passing on the right at stoplights. The worst thing is groups that ride 30 or more bikers in a solid line with several 2 abreast. They should ride in groups of 3 or four with gaps in between each group so motorists can pass.


I have had only 1 unprovoked encounter with a guy driving a van, he stopped in the middle of the road and sat there a good bit , i sped up and as i got closer , I could see he was looking at me in his mirror. I had too much speed at that point to stop so i hammered it and was doing about 27mph. At the last second i swung wide on the left in the other lane ( nothing coming for a long ways) as i went around, we quickly flung his door open. I was way wide and as soon as i went around. i hit the brakes and got off the road. He hit the gas and came up and started yelling. AS i got off the bike and stood up, he realized i was an adult and he took off.

I will not ever pass a stopped vehicle in the road, at speed again.

Last edited by spasm3; 07/09/17 06:49 PM.

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Re: Hate for Cyclists [Re: john_pifer] #4454563
07/09/17 06:48 PM
07/09/17 06:48 PM
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Denver
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Denver
My area is littered with these idiots on bikes.
They think they own the road.
They ride outside of the bike lane.
And don't come across a large group that hogs the entire lane.
They dress like wanna be pro bike riders.
What a bunch of silly wanna be losers.
I hate bikers.


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Re: Hate for Cyclists [Re: john_pifer] #4454576
07/09/17 06:55 PM
07/09/17 06:55 PM
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Saskatchewan, Canada
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Riding two abreast is legal here (Saskatchewan), motorbikes or cyclists. In Ontario riders must move to single file when being passed by another road user. In the remaining eight Provinces and three Territories it's illegal.


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