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#4453924 - 07/08/17 11:48 PM Bypass w Schaeffer9000 30k 14l detroit
NStuart Offline


Registered: 12/28/16
Posts: 278
Loc: Sav ga
30k. 20k. 10k. 41k. 38k
Aluminum.4. 3. 3. 4. 4
Chromium 2. 1. 1. 3. 3
Iron. 55. 38. 23. 72. 75
Copper. 2. 3. 1. 3. 3
Lead. 3. 2. 2. 13. 15
Tin. 1. 1. 0. 2. 2
Moly. 76. 70. 75. 49. 48
Nickel. 0. 0. 0. 1. 1
Manganese1. 0. 0. 1. 1
Silver. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0
Titanium
Potassium 3. 1. 2. 7. 7
Boron. 16. 24. 53. 15. 11
Silicon. 6. 5. 4. 4. 4
Sodium. 12. 11. 9. 8. 8
Calcium. 2016. 1830. 2122. 757. 785
Magnesium 64. 63. 71. 826. 815
Phosphorus966. 913. 1030. 749. 725
Zinc. 1115. 1024. 1172. 980. 967
Barium.

Susv(66-78)75.1, 70.8 ,67.8 ,86.5 , 84.9
Cst(11.9-15.3)
14.28, 13.17 ,12.38,17.13, 16.73
Flashpoint.420. 420. 440. 420. 400
Fuel. .5. .5. .5. .5. .1
Antifreeze 0
Water. 0
Insolubles .5. .3. .1. 4. .4
Tbn. 3.6. 5.2. 6. 2.9. 2.5

This truck is run local local short haul 20 miles each way no idle time,I have not changed the oil yet. However I did spin on 2 new donaldson blue filters (dbl3998) and topped off with 2 gallons of schaeffer9k (total 3 gal added in 30k) bc insolubles at .5%. This truck has 241k on the detroit 12.7 factory reman,it has an amsoil eapb120 bypass on it since this 30 k oil run began. The 38 and 41k run was rotella t6. I am running a similar setup on 3 trucks and I am still early in my research. Lets call these uoa "green truck ". At a later date i will
Post a different truck "red truck "is how I will refer to it . red truck has 1m70k miles,and lives the exact life green truck does, however the red truck did not have the long Rotella T6 oil interval on paper red truck looks a lot better than green truck

I would love to hear thoughts on this uoa questions or suggestions im all for it!

Over about 6000 gallons used on Schaeffer oil 2 trucks have increased mpg by .4-.5
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96 ram 5.9 gas 80k built tranny 5k m1
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#4454074 - 07/09/17 08:12 AM Re: Bypass w Schaeffer9000 30k 14l detroit [Re: NStuart]
NStuart Offline


Registered: 12/28/16
Posts: 278
Loc: Sav ga
This is the red truck
21,500. 10k. 16,500k 10k
Al. 3. 3. 4. 3
Cr. 1. 1. 1. 1
Fe. 30. 17. 21. 13
Pb. 2. 1. 1. 1
Tin. 2. 1. 2. 2
Moly. 85. 88. 52. 41
Nickel 0
Manganese0
Silver 0
Titanium
Potassium 0. 2. 6. 2
Boron. 34. 65. 17. 5
Silicon 7. 7. 3. 3
Sodium. 16. 13. 5. 4

Calcium 2267. 2269. 1309. 1048
Magnesium 64. 70. 888. 784
Phospho 1172. 1211. 1238. 1052
Zinc. 1278. 1350. 1466. 1253
Barium. 0
Sus(66-78)
73.4. 67. 82.4. 86.4
Cst(11.9-15.3)
13.84. 12.16. 16.11. 17.10
Fuel. .5. .5. .5. .5
Flashpt 435. 415. 430. 445
Insolubles .4. .1. .2. .3
Tbn. 5.8. 6.8. 6.1. 6.1

First 2 columns are Schaeffer 9k 5w-40 Donaldson blue filters and amsoil eabp120 bypass next 2 columns are rotella t6,no bypass
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#4454137 - 07/09/17 09:30 AM Re: Bypass w Schaeffer9000 30k 14l detroit [Re: NStuart]
dustyroads Offline


Registered: 05/13/13
Posts: 1069
Loc: upstate NY
Well, I'd say that you're good to go for a while still but it isn't quite what I would have expected. The first two things that jumped out at me was the amount of iron showing up in such a short time, and then how much the T6 thickened (it's no longer in use so no matter). I don't have any experience with monitoring a short haul truck and maybe that's all it is, just the constant grabbin' gears and downshifting/Jake Braking.

The new setup is working overall as the oil is in good shape. The TBN was in good shape and only got better when you added the new top off oil with the filters. The viscosity is in good condition and the air filters are doing fine for the dusty environment the trucks see.

I think you are off to a good start as far as the filter change interval. You will learn as you go and can make adjustments to fine tune your strategy. So far so good. If you don't already have it, you can download a pdf full of info for Detroit owners. I'm absolutely helpless with a computer but if you Google Detroit Service Brochure it should come right up. There is a new one updated for 2017 now.
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#4454152 - 07/09/17 09:59 AM Re: Bypass w Schaeffer9000 30k 14l detroit [Re: NStuart]
dustyroads Offline


Registered: 05/13/13
Posts: 1069
Loc: upstate NY
If you're using CJ-4 oil, consider upgrading to the CK-4. It's better for longer intervals.
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#4454182 - 07/09/17 10:45 AM Re: Bypass w Schaeffer9000 30k 14l detroit [Re: NStuart]
dustyroads Offline


Registered: 05/13/13
Posts: 1069
Loc: upstate NY
The Detroit oil, fuel and filter brochure will come up if you google ddc-svc-bro-0001 and has lots of info if you don't already have it.
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#4454194 - 07/09/17 10:57 AM Re: Bypass w Schaeffer9000 30k 14l detroit [Re: NStuart]
NStuart Offline


Registered: 12/28/16
Posts: 278
Loc: Sav ga
Thanks for the reply. I forgot to mention that the rotella t6 had a gallon of mystic viscid lube in it which is very thick.these trucks are run very hard in an extremely dusty environment
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85 cj7 4.2 performance build. Schaeffer 9000
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#4454219 - 07/09/17 11:43 AM Re: Bypass w Schaeffer9000 30k 14l detroit [Re: NStuart]
dustyroads Offline


Registered: 05/13/13
Posts: 1069
Loc: upstate NY
I would also try another analysis company so to get a check on soot. At least once in conjunction with the Blackstone report. Looking again, I'm surprised that the insolubles are that high with the bypass setup, it seems like they should be much lower in your case. There's no improvement over the earlier reports with T6 and no bypass. It would be interesting to see the soot reading.




Edited by dustyroads (07/09/17 11:48 AM)
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#4454325 - 07/09/17 02:24 PM Re: Bypass w Schaeffer9000 30k 14l detroit [Re: NStuart]
NStuart Offline


Registered: 12/28/16
Posts: 278
Loc: Sav ga
You definitely bring up some very valid points on the red truck in the next few days I will send a sample out to Schaeffer. I have a free sample given to me by the oil salesperson

As far as the green truck goes on the Rotella T6 I did a filter swap and added new oil at 15 30 and 38000 miles, so there was at least six gallons of fresh oil put in
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Detroit14l 1m75k mi bp schaffer9k 30k oil
96 ram 5.9 gas 80k built tranny 5k m1
85 cj7 4.2 performance build. Schaeffer 9000
08 cbr600rr graffiti. T6

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#4455045 - 07/10/17 08:46 AM Re: Bypass w Schaeffer9000 30k 14l detroit [Re: NStuart]
dustyroads Offline


Registered: 05/13/13
Posts: 1069
Loc: upstate NY
Originally Posted By: NStuart


As far as the green truck goes on the Rotella T6 I did a filter swap and added new oil at 15 30 and 38000 miles, so there was at least six gallons of fresh oil put in


Ok I guess I remember you saying that in other threads but had forgotten about it, as well as the thickener. That all makes sense then.
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#4461822 - 07/17/17 01:26 PM Re: Bypass w Schaeffer9000 30k 14l detroit [Re: NStuart]
salesrep Offline


Registered: 08/22/03
Posts: 3600
Loc: lllinois
Cst(11.9-15.3)
13.84. 12.16. 16.11. 17.10

thoughts?
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