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#4453308 - 07/08/17 11:21 AM Oil for Racing and Spirited Driving Apps?
gryffinwings Offline


Registered: 08/08/09
Posts: 99
Loc: San Diego, CA
At the moment, my level of oil experience isn't very broad, especially in the realm of racing and spirited driving, I would like to keep this to oils that are easy to obtain. Currently the oils I'm familiar with at the moment for some momentary full throttle fun with my little CRX Si is with Valvoline Max Life 10w40 and Mobil 1 10w30. My car is speced for 10w40 weight, but from what I understand, the engine isn't very picky on what oil to use. When I used Valvoline Maxlife for a bit, I honestly didn't get much life from it, my car burned oil, it didn't feel like the engine was very responsive either. So I switched over to Mobil 1 High Mileage 10w30, smoked has stopped as far as I can tell after a little running and the engine feels much more responsive. So for now Mobil 1 High Mileage 10w30, it seems pretty good, Mobil 1 list the HTHS as 3.5, so for oils that I will use later, that will be the base line. Also oil consumption is much reduced with this oil.

So for those of you that race or do spirited driving in the mountains or canyons, please share your experiences and knowledge. I expect that I will see more than a few 40 weights probably 0w40 and 5w40. Which is most likely the what I will use as the CST specs are sort of similar to Mobil 1 high mileage 10w30 from what I have seen with Mobil 1 FS 0w40 and Motul 8100 X-cess 5w40.
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#4453354 - 07/08/17 11:59 AM Re: Oil for Racing and Spirited Driving Apps? [Re: gryffinwings]
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Registered: 04/21/17
Posts: 73
Loc: USA
Originally Posted By: gryffinwings
At the moment, my level of oil experience isn't very broad, especially in the realm of racing and spirited driving, I would like to keep this to oils that are easy to obtain. Currently the oils I'm familiar with at the moment for some momentary full throttle fun with my little CRX Si is with Valvoline Max Life 10w40 and Mobil 1 10w30. My car is speced for 10w40 weight, but from what I understand, the engine isn't very picky on what oil to use. When I used Valvoline Maxlife for a bit, I honestly didn't get much life from it, my car burned oil, it didn't feel like the engine was very responsive either. So I switched over to Mobil 1 High Mileage 10w30, smoked has stopped as far as I can tell after a little running and the engine feels much more responsive. So for now Mobil 1 High Mileage 10w30, it seems pretty good, Mobil 1 list the HTHS as 3.5, so for oils that I will use later, that will be the base line. Also oil consumption is much reduced with this oil.

So for those of you that race or do spirited driving in the mountains or canyons, please share your experiences and knowledge. I expect that I will see more than a few 40 weights probably 0w40 and 5w40. Which is most likely the what I will use as the CST specs are sort of similar to Mobil 1 high mileage 10w30 from what I have seen with Mobil 1 FS 0w40 and Motul 8100 X-cess 5w40.


Your CRX is spec'd for 10W-40? What?

For spirited driving.. use full synthetic. The Mobil 1 should be fine.

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#4453422 - 07/08/17 01:03 PM Re: Oil for Racing and Spirited Driving Apps? [Re: gryffinwings]
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M1 is thinner with the same HTHS, reduced consumption... I'm willing to bet you will return to it if you try anything different for one reason or another.
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#4453432 - 07/08/17 01:17 PM Re: Oil for Racing and Spirited Driving Apps? [Re: plaguef]
gryffinwings Offline


Registered: 08/08/09
Posts: 99
Loc: San Diego, CA
Originally Posted By: plaguef
Originally Posted By: gryffinwings
At the moment, my level of oil experience isn't very broad, especially in the realm of racing and spirited driving, I would like to keep this to oils that are easy to obtain. Currently the oils I'm familiar with at the moment for some momentary full throttle fun with my little CRX Si is with Valvoline Max Life 10w40 and Mobil 1 10w30. My car is speced for 10w40 weight, but from what I understand, the engine isn't very picky on what oil to use. When I used Valvoline Maxlife for a bit, I honestly didn't get much life from it, my car burned oil, it didn't feel like the engine was very responsive either. So I switched over to Mobil 1 High Mileage 10w30, smoked has stopped as far as I can tell after a little running and the engine feels much more responsive. So for now Mobil 1 High Mileage 10w30, it seems pretty good, Mobil 1 list the HTHS as 3.5, so for oils that I will use later, that will be the base line. Also oil consumption is much reduced with this oil.

So for those of you that race or do spirited driving in the mountains or canyons, please share your experiences and knowledge. I expect that I will see more than a few 40 weights probably 0w40 and 5w40. Which is most likely the what I will use as the CST specs are sort of similar to Mobil 1 high mileage 10w30 from what I have seen with Mobil 1 FS 0w40 and Motul 8100 X-cess 5w40.


Your CRX is spec'd for 10W-40? What?

For spirited driving.. use full synthetic. The Mobil 1 should be fine.


Yeah, my CRX Si is spec'd for 10w40 when not going below 32 degrees Fahrenheit or 0 degrees Celsius. Anyways I'm curious to know what others are using and their experiences for what specific oil they use.
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#4453439 - 07/08/17 01:27 PM Re: Oil for Racing and Spirited Driving Apps? [Re: Dyusik]
gryffinwings Offline


Registered: 08/08/09
Posts: 99
Loc: San Diego, CA
Originally Posted By: Dyusik
M1 is thinner with the same HTHS, reduced consumption... I'm willing to bet you will return to it if you try anything different for one reason or another.


Yeah it's bizarre, I went from the thicker oil to a thinner oil and I get less consumption even at higher RPM, with Valvoline Maxlife 10w40, I was getting a decent amount of smoke at start up, but I'm not getting that with the Mobil 1 High Mileage 10w30, I wonder if the Valvoline Maxlife 10w40 is more volatile.

Anyways the only reason I would change is because I'd be changing to a higher performance engine DOHC 1.6 liter engine D16A1 which will be built fresh. What I might do for oil is use Mobil 1 FS 0w40, similar cSt specs to High Mileage 10w30 and better HTHS at 3.8. Anyways I won't know how the oil works until I do the build and run the oil. I've started to use cSt as a basis for comparing oil weights, since oil weights seem to have a range that they sit in.
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#4453846 - 07/08/17 09:58 PM Re: Oil for Racing and Spirited Driving Apps? [Re: gryffinwings]
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You're going to have a hard time finding a better oil for spirited driving. The M1 HM is a thick 30 that will take lots of heat and has a good additive package. Plus it's available at Walmart. You don't need a 40 weight unless you are running extended high rpm, like on a track. Pair it with a Fram ultra and drive.
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#4453968 - 07/09/17 01:56 AM Re: Oil for Racing and Spirited Driving Apps? [Re: gryffinwings]
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Redline is the best oil for engines that are used hard and get hot for extended periods.
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#4453971 - 07/09/17 02:03 AM Re: Oil for Racing and Spirited Driving Apps? [Re: gryffinwings]
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Honestly for an 87 CRX any synthetic 40 weight will do the trick. Plenty of 5 qt full synthetic options at Walmart for under $25. 0W-40 M1!has been used by professional racing teams with good success.
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#4454242 - 07/09/17 12:35 PM Re: Oil for Racing and Spirited Driving Apps? [Re: 1JZ_E46]
gryffinwings Offline


Registered: 08/08/09
Posts: 99
Loc: San Diego, CA
Originally Posted By: SilverFusion2010
You're going to have a hard time finding a better oil for spirited driving. The M1 HM is a thick 30 that will take lots of heat and has a good additive package. Plus it's available at Walmart. You don't need a 40 weight unless you are running extended high rpm, like on a track. Pair it with a Fram ultra and drive.


Yeah, I've had good luck with it so far with my current engine, but when I change to a the new rebuilt engine that I plan on, I'll like change to Mobil 1 FS 0w40, I don't like the idea of run high mileage oil in a fresh engine, just my opinion. Also if I plan to use Fram Ultras, I will have to switch over to remote reservoir setup so I can use a more common filter as the only Fram I can get is the TG3531 Tough Gaurd, and those are hard to get locally, Mostly all I can get are Wix for a decent price, either way I don't see this as a bad idea as this would make it easier to change filters and give me better options for filters.

Originally Posted By: 1JZ_E46
Honestly for an 87 CRX any synthetic 40 weight will do the trick. Plenty of 5 qt full synthetic options at Walmart for under $25. 0W-40 M1!has been used by professional racing teams with good success.


I've been seeing a lot of Mobil 1 FS 0w40 users lately, I didn't know it was being used by professional racing teams! I heard the formulation was recently changed last year or something, so I'm looking for more VOA and UOA while I wait to do the engine build and install into my CRX Si.
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#4454269 - 07/09/17 01:18 PM Re: Oil for Racing and Spirited Driving Apps? [Re: gryffinwings]
A_Harman Offline


Registered: 10/01/10
Posts: 6921
Loc: Michigan
Originally Posted By: gryffinwings
Originally Posted By: Dyusik
M1 is thinner with the same HTHS, reduced consumption... I'm willing to bet you will return to it if you try anything different for one reason or another.


Yeah it's bizarre, I went from the thicker oil to a thinner oil and I get less consumption even at higher RPM, with Valvoline Maxlife 10w40, I was getting a decent amount of smoke at start up, but I'm not getting that with the Mobil 1 High Mileage 10w30, I wonder if the Valvoline Maxlife 10w40 is more volatile.

Anyways the only reason I would change is because I'd be changing to a higher performance engine DOHC 1.6 liter engine D16A1 which will be built fresh. What I might do for oil is use Mobil 1 FS 0w40, similar cSt specs to High Mileage 10w30 and better HTHS at 3.8. Anyways I won't know how the oil works until I do the build and run the oil. I've started to use cSt as a basis for comparing oil weights, since oil weights seem to have a range that they sit in.


My opinion is you should stick with the M1 10w30 HM for your current engine.
The FS 0w40 would be nearly indistinguishable from it, because the HTHS dropped from 3.8 to 3.6 when they created the FS version.
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#4454270 - 07/09/17 01:18 PM Re: Oil for Racing and Spirited Driving Apps? [Re: gryffinwings]
1JZ_E46 Offline


Registered: 04/04/16
Posts: 1227
Loc: Oregon
I also haven't seen any race teams use the new FS formula, but it's nearly as good as the old formula (same according to Mobil) so it would be a fine choice. Another option is 0W-40 Castrol. Seems to withstand breaking down better than the new M1. Any of the 40-weight "euro" oils (LL-01, A40, 229.5) would be good options.
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#4454338 - 07/09/17 02:37 PM Re: Oil for Racing and Spirited Driving Apps? [Re: A_Harman]
gryffinwings Offline


Registered: 08/08/09
Posts: 99
Loc: San Diego, CA
Originally Posted By: A_Harman
Originally Posted By: gryffinwings
Originally Posted By: Dyusik
M1 is thinner with the same HTHS, reduced consumption... I'm willing to bet you will return to it if you try anything different for one reason or another.


Yeah it's bizarre, I went from the thicker oil to a thinner oil and I get less consumption even at higher RPM, with Valvoline Maxlife 10w40, I was getting a decent amount of smoke at start up, but I'm not getting that with the Mobil 1 High Mileage 10w30, I wonder if the Valvoline Maxlife 10w40 is more volatile.

Anyways the only reason I would change is because I'd be changing to a higher performance engine DOHC 1.6 liter engine D16A1 which will be built fresh. What I might do for oil is use Mobil 1 FS 0w40, similar cSt specs to High Mileage 10w30 and better HTHS at 3.8. Anyways I won't know how the oil works until I do the build and run the oil. I've started to use cSt as a basis for comparing oil weights, since oil weights seem to have a range that they sit in.


My opinion is you should stick with the M1 10w30 HM for your current engine.
The FS 0w40 would be nearly indistinguishable from it, because the HTHS dropped from 3.8 to 3.6 when they created the FS version.


I could swear I was reading 3.8 on the Mobil 1 website a couple of days ago.
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#4454341 - 07/09/17 02:38 PM Re: Oil for Racing and Spirited Driving Apps? [Re: 1JZ_E46]
gryffinwings Offline


Registered: 08/08/09
Posts: 99
Loc: San Diego, CA
Originally Posted By: 1JZ_E46
I also haven't seen any race teams use the new FS formula, but it's nearly as good as the old formula (same according to Mobil) so it would be a fine choice. Another option is 0W-40 Castrol. Seems to withstand breaking down better than the new M1. Any of the 40-weight "euro" oils (LL-01, A40, 229.5) would be good options.


Which Castro 0w40 oil are you talking about?
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#4454343 - 07/09/17 02:42 PM Re: Oil for Racing and Spirited Driving Apps? [Re: gryffinwings]
1JZ_E46 Offline


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Loc: Oregon
Castrol EDGE 0W-40 - A3/B4, LL-01, Porsche A40, MB 229.5, VW 502 00. Comes in a 5 qt jug at Walmart for $22-24
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#4454483 - 07/09/17 05:25 PM Re: Oil for Racing and Spirited Driving Apps? [Re: 1JZ_E46]
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Loc: San Diego, CA
Are you talking about the Castrol EDGE with TITANIUM FST. It's the only one I am seeing on the Castrol Oil website for 0w40. Seems like a good one to use.
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