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Nulon 25W-60 gonna have to hoard some of this... #4452669
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https://www.nulon.com.au/images/files/productbulletins/PB-ST25W60.pdf

108 VI, so basically monograde...should put the HTHS at 6+.

MoDTC, low S.A. high zinc...

What's not to like ?

Re: Nulon 25W-60 gonna have to hoard some of this... [Re: Shannow] #4452699
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Originally Posted By: Shannow

What's not to like ?


Not available in North America??


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: Nulon 25W-60 gonna have to hoard some of this... [Re: Shannow] #4452702
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It's a bit thick don't ya think?


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Re: Nulon 25W-60 gonna have to hoard some of this... [Re: skyactiv] #4452709
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I've run 25W70 in winter when I had the old Camira (J-Car)...but yes, this would NEVER be run straight in anything that I've got.

Re: Nulon 25W-60 gonna have to hoard some of this... [Re: Shannow] #4452717
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Low TBN, but it does say racing.


1987 BMW R65 - Aegis SAE30
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1996 Volvo T5 - Penrite HPR15 - 15W-60. Ryco syntec filter.
Re: Nulon 25W-60 gonna have to hoard some of this... [Re: Silk] #4452719
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Originally Posted By: Silk
Low TBN, but it does say racing.


Workmate's BBC just ate a cam...I think Zinc and Mo in a cheap package might be the order...


Re: Nulon 25W-60 gonna have to hoard some of this... [Re: Linctex] #4452779
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Originally Posted By: Linctex
Originally Posted By: Shannow

What's not to like ?


Not available in North America??


I rather like that. Makes it more exclusive, somehow.

Re: Nulon 25W-60 gonna have to hoard some of this... [Re: Shannow] #4452798
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You guys get all the goodies. frown

The only stateside oil I can think of with zinc that high is Schaeffer's Supreme 7000 20W-50, at 1800. Possibly some Lucas racing oils might have that high of zinc, but I'm not familiar with them. I know VR-1 is around 1400 and Penngrade 1 is 1500.


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Re: Nulon 25W-60 gonna have to hoard some of this... [Re: skyactiv] #4452869
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Originally Posted By: skyactiv
It's a bit thick don't ya think?
In the land down under every thing is upside down and they drive on the opposite side of the road hence the differences in engine oil viscosity needed.


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Re: Nulon 25W-60 gonna have to hoard some of this... [Re: Red91] #4452903
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Originally Posted By: Red91
The only stateside oil I can think of with zinc that high is Schaeffer's Supreme 7000 20W-50, at 1800. Possibly some Lucas racing oils might have that high of zinc, but I'm not familiar with them. I know VR-1 is around 1400 and Penngrade 1 is 1500.


Red Line motorcycle and race oils have over 2000 ppm of zinc and phosphorous.

Re: Nulon 25W-60 gonna have to hoard some of this... [Re: Shannow] #4452940
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Given an honourable mention in this thread:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4431963/

Nulon 25W-60 Street & Track, mineral oil, (API SG)
High Zinc (ZDDP) and High Moly (MoDTc) oil, TBN = 5.4, Zinc = 1900 ppm
KV40 = 276.9 cSt, KV100 = 23.92 cSt



Now that mixing is allowed, this stuff and the GTL based Shell Helix Ultra 0W20 (SN, A1/B1) full synthetic, should make a sweet brew.


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Re: Nulon 25W-60 gonna have to hoard some of this... [Re: Shannow] #4452953
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Yep..a fill with 0w20 pennzoil ultra platinum and the fram ultra filled with this 25w60 should about do the trick.


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Re: Nulon 25W-60 gonna have to hoard some of this... [Re: Marco620] #4452969
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I know right.

It's like a multivitamin supplement for regular oils.

Take a typical ILSAC synthetic oil, then add a touch of this stuff to give it some minerals and liven it up a bit.


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Re: Nulon 25W-60 gonna have to hoard some of this... [Re: Shannow] #4452979
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Just a couple of words of caution here...

To make a 25W60 like this, the oil's going to have to contain an appreciable amount of Group I Bright Stock. For those that don't know, this is stuff that you get from the Propane De-Asphalthing of Vacuum Residue (the heaviest and blackest stuff you get from an oil refinery). It will be very high in sulphur, nitrogen and aromatics. There are no Group II, II+ or III equivalents of Bright Stock.

Now don't get me wrong. I personally like Bright Stock. A couple of percent in a PCMO can work wonders, especially for things like diesel piston cleanliness. However, because of their high benzylic hydrogen content, they can be extremely oxidatively unstable. A very high ZDDP treat and a splash of Moly will only go so far in mitigating the problem and the TBN is worryingly low. Just don't try extended oil drains on an oil like this. In fact check the dip stick frequently because when this oil breaks, it will likely break very quickly. Leave an oil like this in too long unchecked and you could easily see its KV100 top 4000 cst at which point, your problem becomes one of 'how do I drain this stuff from my engine?'.

Of course, as a blend component, this stuff is the mutt's nuts (which is how you might benefit most from it).

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Re: Nulon 25W-60 gonna have to hoard some of this... [Re: Shannow] #4452990
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That stuff is too thin, needs a quart of Lucas to really make it goopy.


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1988 Ford Escort Mk4 Xr3i Cabrio, - Shell Rimula R4X 15W-40, w/ 30% Helix 3 20W-50.

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