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Mobil 1 v Super Synthetic? #4451011
07/06/17 07:15 AM
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knerml Offline OP
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Are there any real benefits using Mobil 1 over Mobil Super Synthetic? Seeing significant prices differences.

Basically, Mobil Oil's web site states that Mobil 1 is better, but is this just hype?

I have two Hyundai/Kias with non-turbo Theta/Theta-II engines. One GDI rural driving 11K miles per year and one normal FI urban driving 8K miles per year.

Both OCIs are <6K miles or 6 months using 5W20 and OEM filters.

Thanks.


2015 Hyundai Elantra Sport 2.0 GDI Mobil 1 5W30 & OEM/Mann W811/80 Filter
2018 Hyundai Santa Fe Sport AWD 2.0T Castrol Edge 5W40 & OEM/Mann W811/80 Filter
Re: Mobil 1 v Super Synthetic? [Re: knerml] #4451028
07/06/17 07:35 AM
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It's not hype, however SS is no doubt an excellent oil.


2007 Ford Fusion 239,000 miles
M1 0-20 EP
2017 Ford Fusion 67K
M1 0-20 EP
10,000 mile OCIs on both engines
M1 ATF and Valvoline LV
M1 10-30 in all OPE
MC filters

Re: Mobil 1 v Super Synthetic? [Re: knerml] #4451035
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"Super" synthetic?

When are we going to see marketers switch to "Super-Duper" synthetic? Or is that just another name for Amsoil ? grin


Multiple Diesel and Gasoline vehicles
Re: Mobil 1 v Super Synthetic? [Re: ArcticDriver] #4451056
07/06/17 08:05 AM
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It is a product line - some GM V8's will go 300k- 400k on the lower level Mobil Super

Re: Mobil 1 v Super Synthetic? [Re: knerml] #4451064
07/06/17 08:12 AM
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From the way I understand it, Mobil 1 now has their synthetic oils set up as:

Full GroupIII
GrpIII/PAO(GrpIV)
Full PAO(full GrpIV)

IDK if Mobil 1 has a Group V(ESTER)?


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'80 Firebird FORMULA V8/4bbl-purchased "NEW"
'15 Nissan Altima 2.5 SV
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Re: Mobil 1 v Super Synthetic? [Re: knerml] #4451066
07/06/17 08:16 AM
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I have grabbed MSS on sale a few times ... probably about like another super - super tech wink

Re: Mobil 1 v Super Synthetic? [Re: knerml] #4451074
07/06/17 08:20 AM
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I'm going to be using 5w30 in my Theta II GDI. The owner's manual allows it. The 2011-14 Optimas and Sonatas have connecting rod issues and I'm not going to be taking any chances with 5w20 shearing way down with DI fuel dilution.

If you can get Super Synthetic for a good price, I'd use it. For me M1 is $22.88/5qt at Wallyworld so I'm not sure how much less you're seeing?


2012 Hyundai Sonata GLS 6MT 2.4GDI, ProDS 10w30, XG9688 filter, 2018 Mitsubishi Outlander SEL 2.4 CVT, Factory fill still.
Re: Mobil 1 v Super Synthetic? [Re: knerml] #4451084
07/06/17 08:38 AM
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This chart includes the two Mobils in 5W30, but is, unfortunately, from way back in 2013...sorry that it's also the wrong grade for the OPer, this is the best head to head I've seen for the two.

http://pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/Marchsyntheticsallfinal.html

Both look good by this analysis, but M1 has a little better cold crank performance and a somewhat lower NOACK loss. The Mobil Super is actually quite similar to Kendall GT1 5W30 by this chart, but that doesn't mean they'd necessarily perform the same in a given engine...there is so much that a VOA doesn't tell us.


2014 Forester XT, 95000 miles
Last Change;
M1 0W30 AFE d1G2
Tokyo Roki 15208AA170 filter
Re: Mobil 1 v Super Synthetic? [Re: knerml] #4451100
07/06/17 08:57 AM
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Mahzurrah!
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Since your OCI's are relatively short IMO either would do just fine for you. Super is basically an auto parts store oil though, you can easily get M1 at Wally's for less than they want for Super most of the time.

M1 is the superior oil blend wise, but I doubt it would make any difference at less than 6k OCI's.


2018 VW Passat GT VR6 - 6k - Valvoline MST 5w40 - VW OEM filter
2012 KIA Sedona 96k - PP HM 10w30
2009 Ford Focus 135k - Supertech FS HM 5w30
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Re: Mobil 1 v Super Synthetic? [Re: knerml] #4451122
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I never see the stuff. Just mobil super 5000 & mobil 1

Re: Mobil 1 v Super Synthetic? [Re: knerml] #4451135
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knerml Offline OP
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Paid $21 for a case of 6 at BJs


2015 Hyundai Elantra Sport 2.0 GDI Mobil 1 5W30 & OEM/Mann W811/80 Filter
2018 Hyundai Santa Fe Sport AWD 2.0T Castrol Edge 5W40 & OEM/Mann W811/80 Filter
Re: Mobil 1 v Super Synthetic? [Re: knerml] #4451136
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I picked up some SS at last years AZ 'Clearance' for $2 a quart....I'd have no issue running it 7500 miles...maybe more.


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Re: Mobil 1 v Super Synthetic? [Re: knerml] #4451140
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I'll stick with M1, after I use up the 2 cases.

Been using M1 for decades without any issues.

Last edited by knerml; 07/06/17 10:03 AM.

2015 Hyundai Elantra Sport 2.0 GDI Mobil 1 5W30 & OEM/Mann W811/80 Filter
2018 Hyundai Santa Fe Sport AWD 2.0T Castrol Edge 5W40 & OEM/Mann W811/80 Filter
Re: Mobil 1 v Super Synthetic? [Re: knerml] #4451147
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MSS VOA (2013) sort of similar to the SOPUS products. Very different add package vs. Mobil 1 20 and 30 grades.


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2001 Lincoln Cont 4.6L DOHC/ 39K mi / QS HM 5w30 / FUG XG2
1999 Camaro SS M6 /19K /Mobil 1 0w40 /Fram UG /GM MTL-ATF
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Re: Mobil 1 v Super Synthetic? [Re: knerml] #4451156
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Originally Posted By: knerml
I'll stick with M1, after I use up the 2 cases.

Been using M1 for decades without any issues.


For a second or so, when I looked over to the left at the post's author, I thought for sure it would be someone else
Steve



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