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Rotella, Mobil 1 4t, amsoil users input #4450562
07/05/17 02:43 PM
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Hello, I recently purchased an 06 fz1 with 23k miles. I'm wondering which oil to run in the bike. I love in NY and will probably only ride until it's 50 any lower and the bike won't be out. I currently have t6 in there but only 300 miles on the oil. It seems to run great and shift smooth but I haven't really had much comparison with this bike. I'm considering t4,5 or 6 rotella, amsoil metric 10w40, and Mobil 1 4t. I've read great things about each of them. I don't want to have to change the oil every other week because it's thinned out and shifting is notchy too much which is a concern I've heard about with t6. What experiences have you had with any of these oils and which would you run? The bike won't be beat on but will have some hard pulls every now and again.

Re: Rotella, Mobil 1 4t, amsoil users input [Re: 02s4audi] #4450628
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I ran Rotella 15w40 in my Honda CBR600F4i for 3 oil changes.

The CBRs aren't known for smooth shifting but the Rotella 15w40 made the shifting notchy as Hades.

Valvoline MC combo of 20w50 and 10w40 and the shifting has really smoothed out. Major improvements over Rotella.

Doesn't mean its Rotella's fault, but for my CBR, Valvoline has won my favor.


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Re: Rotella, Mobil 1 4t, amsoil users input [Re: 02s4audi] #4450662
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I generally have always run whatever cheap 15W-40 was on sale.

I don't know how fussy the FZ1 is with oil, though.


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Re: Rotella, Mobil 1 4t, amsoil users input [Re: 02s4audi] #4450710
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You will feel T6 fall out rather quickly, 15w40 is the way to go.


95 Cherokee 190K DELO 10W30, XG8
07 IS250 103K Napa 10w30, FULL
04 YZF-R1 19K DELO 15w40, XG7317
99 HD XL1200S 21K VR1 20w50, NG1515
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Re: Rotella, Mobil 1 4t, amsoil users input [Re: 02s4audi] #4450755
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I have run Amsoil 10-40 mc for years. Last year made a long trip out west, ran OCI to 7300 miles. The shifting was getting to the point where missed gears was not uncommon, during normal 3000 mile OCI it was not an issue. Now I am running first change with T6, and at just under 1000 miles the shifting is already degrading.


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Re: Rotella, Mobil 1 4t, amsoil users input [Re: 02s4audi] #4450866
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Great info on the T6.

Anyone run the Amsoil Metric?

I have 1,000 miles on some Mystik 15W-40 currently.


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Re: Rotella, Mobil 1 4t, amsoil users input [Re: 02s4audi] #4450923
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On most of my bikes I run Delo/Rotella 15/40 but in my old R6 I ran a 50/50 mix of Delo or Rotella 15/40 and Rotella T1 40 wt. Worked great in the R6. The T1 40wt. has a better add pack than the T1 50 wt.

ROD


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Re: Rotella, Mobil 1 4t, amsoil users input [Re: 02s4audi] #4450941
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I've ran all three at one point, and liked the Amsoil the best. Keep in mind I run for 10k. The Rotella sheared. The Mobil 4t had good results, the Amsoil the best. Lower metals, higher TBN. Can't say I noticed any of them shifting better.

Last edited by montero1; 07/06/17 12:38 AM.

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Re: Rotella, Mobil 1 4t, amsoil users input [Re: montero1] #4450993
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Originally Posted By: montero1
I've ran all three at one point, and liked the Amsoil the best. Keep in mind I run for 10k. The Rotella sheared. The Mobil 4t had good results, the Amsoil the best. Lower metals, higher TBN. Can't say I noticed any of them shifting better.


I don't know much about the bikes in your Sig, do they have wet clutches?

I always thought the concern about different motor oils affecting shifting was in wet clutches...can someone please correct me if I am wrong.


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Re: Rotella, Mobil 1 4t, amsoil users input [Re: 02s4audi] #4451317
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Just don't use "ANY" oil that says "energy conserving" in a bike that has a wet clutch. It's more slippery so that there is less friction caused by moving engine parts which means the engine does not have to work as hard thus conserving energy, but it also means your clutch won't hook up because of the extra slipperiest(like that word) of the oil. Your clutch will slip and you won't go very far. Leave it in to long and you will be buying a new clutch. I have never seen a 15/40 that had the "energy conserving" label on it.

ROD


'06 S2000
'00 SSEi sold at 252k miles
'08 Ford F53 V10
'13 Jeep Sahara 2 door
Re: Rotella, Mobil 1 4t, amsoil users input [Re: rrounds] #4452007
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Originally Posted By: rrounds
Just don't use "ANY" oil that says "energy conserving" in a bike that has a wet clutch. It's more slippery so that there is less friction caused by moving engine parts which means the engine does not have to work as hard thus conserving energy, but it also means your clutch won't hook up because of the extra slipperiest(like that word) of the oil. Your clutch will slip and you won't go very far. Leave it in to long and you will be buying a new clutch. I have never seen a 15/40 that had the "energy conserving" label on it.

ROD


I keep hearing claims like yours above but never see any hard evidence proving it out. My HDEOs are high in various FMs and I have industry data sheets and UOAs which support as much.

Does "Energy Conserving" actually have different FMs and in greater quantities than HDEO and do each of these actually have different and more than MC rated oil ?

Or is "Energy conserving" oil just a thinner viscosity allowing it to flow with less resistance and strain on your engine resulting in improved fuel economy?

Last edited by ArcticDriver; 07/07/17 05:19 AM.

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Re: Rotella, Mobil 1 4t, amsoil users input [Re: montero1] #4452262
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In my FZ1 I used to run Rotella 15W40, and sometimes others (including I think Mobil 1 4T or Redline 10W40 moto oil if I got a deal on it). I'd change around 4k miles, no UOAs, no problems shifting. It was running strong when I sold it with 51k miles. And part of me regretted selling it. What an awesome bike!


Originally Posted By: montero1
I've ran all three at one point, and liked the Amsoil the best. Keep in mind I run for 10k.

10k what? If you run it for 10k miles in a shared sump bike and it doesn't shear out of grade, please link to your UOAs (from your post it seemed like you did them). 10k kms in a shared sump bike is impressive as well, and I'd still like to see the UOAs. If you got 'em.





2007 BMW R1200R (Mobil 1 15W50, Red Line Shockproof Heavy, Supertech 75W90)
2016 Honda Africa Twin DCT (Motul 5100 10W40)
Re: Rotella, Mobil 1 4t, amsoil users input [Re: 02s4audi] #4452568
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All of my bikes are shared sump..... Amsoil

Last edited by montero1; 07/07/17 05:14 PM.

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Re: Rotella, Mobil 1 4t, amsoil users input [Re: 02s4audi] #4452592
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'08 GL1800
'10 Jeep Rubicon
'10 Corvette
'13 V-Star 1300 Deluxe (Hers)
'13 VFR1200F
'16 Harley Electra Glide Limited
'18 GMC Canyon Denali (Hers)
Re: Rotella, Mobil 1 4t, amsoil users input [Re: 02s4audi] #4452596
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'07 Z4 3.0 SI
'08 GL1800
'10 Jeep Rubicon
'10 Corvette
'13 V-Star 1300 Deluxe (Hers)
'13 VFR1200F
'16 Harley Electra Glide Limited
'18 GMC Canyon Denali (Hers)
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