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Good alternative to FL820S #4448883
07/03/17 09:17 PM
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Peter_480 Offline OP
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Been lurking on the forum for a few weeks and decided to join the discussion.

I've been using Motorcraft oil and filters in my Fords pretty religiously, only deviating to ST full synthetic and a CQ/Wix a few times. Now I see from the past discussion that Purolator OEM's the MC filters and Tearolator is bad. I'm guessing the 820S has the same quality issues that the regular Purolators do even though it's made to a Ford spec.

So what is a good alternative? I just changed the oil today in my E250 and I'm using a Wix and full synthetic, and going with a 7500 OCI or 1 year. I've been told Wix is really good but now I see they've been bought by M+H too.


'10 Ford E250 4.6L
'11 Ford Fusion 2.5L
Re: Good alternative to FL820S [Re: Peter_480] #4448888
07/03/17 09:22 PM
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Peter_480 Offline OP
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To add: I saved the 820 I removed and will cut it apart and show pictures at some point. Still have to get a fancy filter cutter. It only has 3K on it, not because I go with 3K intervals but that's all the mileage I put on it with MC semisynthetic and a 6 month interval.

Last edited by Peter_480; 07/03/17 09:23 PM.

'10 Ford E250 4.6L
'11 Ford Fusion 2.5L
Re: Good alternative to FL820S [Re: Peter_480] #4448891
07/03/17 09:31 PM
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I just cut my first FL820S open and it was torn twice but the OCI was pretty long so that may have had something to do with it. I would use Wix or Fram Ultra. I am currently using a Wix XP on my truck. Wont be cut open for another year but I don't intend to see any rips or tears.


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Re: Good alternative to FL820S [Re: E150GT] #4448898
07/03/17 09:42 PM
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Peter_480 Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: E150GT
I would use Wix or Fram Ultra.


I'm surprised to see that Fram has become a respectable filter now, but will keep them in mind from now on.

In the case of Purolator, I thought a German parent company was supposed to be an improvement? confused


'10 Ford E250 4.6L
'11 Ford Fusion 2.5L
Re: Good alternative to FL820S [Re: Peter_480] #4448907
07/03/17 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted By: Peter_480
Originally Posted By: E150GT
I would use Wix or Fram Ultra.


I'm surprised to see that Fram has become a respectable filter now, but will keep them in mind from now on.

In the case of Purolator, I thought a German parent company was supposed to be an improvement? confused


Well it's the Fram Ultra that's considered a very respectable filter. It's their top of the line filter. There's still plenty of hate for their lower end lines. Sorta like how Chevy has some cheap cars and also the Corvette.

Re: Good alternative to FL820S [Re: Wolf359] #4448916
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Originally Posted By: Wolf359
Originally Posted By: Peter_480
Originally Posted By: E150GT
I would use Wix or Fram Ultra.


I'm surprised to see that Fram has become a respectable filter now, but will keep them in mind from now on.

In the case of Purolator, I thought a German parent company was supposed to be an improvement? confused


Well it's the Fram Ultra that's considered a very respectable filter. It's their top of the line filter. There's still plenty of hate for their lower end lines. Sorta like how Chevy has some cheap cars and also the Corvette.

To be honest I would use a Fram Orange over a Puro. I think many on this forum probably feel the same way. To date, I don't remember seeing a torn Fram, but I had one of my own FL820S filters tear.
Even this poor Fram orange held together:


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Re: Good alternative to FL820S [Re: Peter_480] #4448917
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Fram Ultra has the best filter for the money hands down.


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Re: Good alternative to FL820S [Re: Peter_480] #4448953
07/03/17 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted By: Peter_480

So what is a good alternative? I just changed the oil today in my E250 and I'm using a Wix and full synthetic, and going with a 7500 OCI or 1 year.


SuperTech are made by Wix.

I don't run the FL-820 size filter, I run the FL-500 size the Coyote Mustangs use. I put 15,000 miles on a Tough Guard TG10575 with no issues at all. https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4426839/


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Re: Good alternative to FL820S [Re: Peter_480] #4448969
07/03/17 11:26 PM
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If you want to keep most of the FL-820S charachteristics there's the Mopar MO-899 I run in my Ram - main differences are a nitrile ADBV and fewer flutes on the can dome. To my knowledge these and the FL-820S are the only filters for these applications with base end bypass vave and seperate ADBV (no combo valve), but both are manufactured by Purolator.

If you sacrifice base end bypass, another good alternative is the now discontinued Carquest Blue 84899. These are either made by Wix and identical to the Wix 57899 and Napa Gold 7899, or more recent production was made by Fram and equivalent to a Fram Tough Guard TG2 except the CQ has metal end caps. Shelf price is $6.49 at either CQ or AAP but can be dropped significantly with on-line discount codes for BOPUS (buy on-line pick up in store). These were discontinued when Purolator got the CQ oil filter business so you can buy these with confidence of not getting a Purolator.

If you want top efficiency and don't mind dome end bypass the Fram Ultra XG2 or installer equivalent Fram Pro Synthetic FPS2 is the way to go.


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Re: Good alternative to FL820S [Re: 901Memphis] #4449086
07/04/17 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Fram Ultra has the best filter for the money hands down.


And you can save a few bucks buying virtually the same filter by going with the Fram Pro Synthetic filter, usually available on eBay in cases of six for less than $36.


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Re: Good alternative to FL820S [Re: Peter_480] #4449133
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Wix is a good filter. Hastings, ac delco, fram ultra, mobil 1 is good too


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Re: Good alternative to FL820S [Re: Peter_480] #4449192
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I actually had an Affinia/Wix made CQ Blue give me ADBV trouble on my 4.6-an Ultra XG2 fixed my noisy startup problem. My 4.6 seems to be the pickiest engine ever for start up knocks & rattles. I've been buying Ultras off eBay too-but every batch of 6 I've bought seems to have one or two dented ones, and boxes that look horrible.

Last edited by bullwinkle; 07/04/17 08:28 AM.

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Re: Good alternative to FL820S [Re: Linctex] #4449266
07/04/17 09:34 AM
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Peter_480 Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: Linctex
Originally Posted By: Peter_480

So what is a good alternative? I just changed the oil today in my E250 and I'm using a Wix and full synthetic, and going with a 7500 OCI or 1 year.


SuperTech are made by Wix.




I see that, but aren't they the value line of Wix aka Pro-Select, Microguard and other house brands? Would they be safe running a 7500 OCI?


'10 Ford E250 4.6L
'11 Ford Fusion 2.5L
Re: Good alternative to FL820S [Re: bullwinkle] #4449267
07/04/17 09:35 AM
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Peter_480 Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
I actually had an Affinia/Wix made CQ Blue give me ADBV trouble on my 4.6-an Ultra XG2 fixed my noisy startup problem. My 4.6 seems to be the pickiest engine ever for start up knocks & rattles. I've been buying Ultras off eBay too-but every batch of 6 I've bought seems to have one or two dented ones, and boxes that look horrible.


You're not kidding, my 4.6 should be called The Knocker. I've been running MC filters on it since I bought it when it was under a year old, but those days are over now. I'll see if the knocking continues with the Wix.


'10 Ford E250 4.6L
'11 Ford Fusion 2.5L
Re: Good alternative to FL820S [Re: Nyogtha] #4449273
07/04/17 09:40 AM
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Peter_480 Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: Nyogtha
If you want to keep most of the FL-820S charachteristics there's the Mopar MO-899 I run in my Ram - main differences are a nitrile ADBV and fewer flutes on the can dome. To my knowledge these and the FL-820S are the only filters for these applications with base end bypass vave and seperate ADBV (no combo valve), but both are manufactured by Purolator.

If you sacrifice base end bypass, another good alternative is the now discontinued Carquest Blue 84899. These are either made by Wix and identical to the Wix 57899 and Napa Gold 7899, or more recent production was made by Fram and equivalent to a Fram Tough Guard TG2 except the CQ has metal end caps. Shelf price is $6.49 at either CQ or AAP but can be dropped significantly with on-line discount codes for BOPUS (buy on-line pick up in store). These were discontinued when Purolator got the CQ oil filter business so you can buy these with confidence of not getting a Purolator.

If you want top efficiency and don't mind dome end bypass the Fram Ultra XG2 or installer equivalent Fram Pro Synthetic FPS2 is the way to go.


Thanks, I think I'm going to toss the D+ I picked up with bad louvers and use an Ultra next time. Readily available at Walmart which is where I go for oil and filters 80% of the time anyway.


'10 Ford E250 4.6L
'11 Ford Fusion 2.5L
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