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#4448554 - 07/03/17 05:27 PM Message to computer geeks...
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Registered: 09/14/10
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I was at an extended care facility today and there was a young man berating his elderly mother about her lack of skill using the Internet.

Her answer: Son, just remember I'm the one that potty trained you. The know it all son looked up to see a half dozen or so nurses, a doctor and a few visitors trying not to laugh.

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#4448569 - 07/03/17 05:44 PM Re: Message to computer geeks... [Re: OneEyeJack]
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Apparently the computer didn't teach him any manners or respect for his elders.

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#4448574 - 07/03/17 05:49 PM Re: Message to computer geeks... [Re: AirgunSavant]
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Originally Posted By: AirgunSavant
Apparently the computer didn't teach him any manners or respect for his elders.


Agree.
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#4448581 - 07/03/17 06:02 PM Re: Message to computer geeks... [Re: OneEyeJack]
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A lot of geeks seem to think they have mad skills.
They don't.
PCs are so easy to use as is the 'net for anything one might want.
Real skills, like those involved in actually repairing something or in understanding how it works are something else.
This is the difference between "software engineers" and real engineers.
My ninety year old mother monitors her bank and brokerage accounts online and pays her bills that way as well.
She is someone who learned to type on an Underwood and who learned PC use with something like Word Perfect.
These things aren't at all hard to use, as evidenced by the many users we have here.
Boy should get back on his meds and get a real job.
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#4448585 - 07/03/17 06:05 PM Re: Message to computer geeks... [Re: OneEyeJack]
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My wife thinks I have mad skills.
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#4448598 - 07/03/17 06:16 PM Re: Message to computer geeks... [Re: OneEyeJack]
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Registered: 09/09/15
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Should I take this message to heart? Does this apply to me?

As someone who most would consider a "computer geek" but one who was raised under the guiding hands of strict, loving, supporting parents;seems most of these types of issues are parenting problems.

Too much pride and not enough humility, supported by the parents who think their children can do no wrong.
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#4448604 - 07/03/17 06:19 PM Re: Message to computer geeks... [Re: fdcg27]
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Originally Posted By: fdcg27
A lot of geeks seem to think they have mad skills.
They don't.

This is the difference between "software engineers" and real engineers.


Hmmm, software engineers aren't real engineers? Care to explain?


Edited by JeepWJ19 (07/03/17 06:19 PM)
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#4448614 - 07/03/17 06:32 PM Re: Message to computer geeks... [Re: OneEyeJack]
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Software engineers can't drive a locomotive w/o help laugh
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#4448615 - 07/03/17 06:33 PM Re: Message to computer geeks... [Re: JeepWJ19]
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Sure.
Real engineers have recognized professional qualifications.
Software "engineers" don't.
Show me someone who calls themselves a software "engineer" who can put PE or ME or LE after their name and I'll admit to being wrong.
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#4448635 - 07/03/17 06:50 PM Re: Message to computer geeks... [Re: fdcg27]
JeepWJ19 Offline


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Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Sure.
Real engineers have recognized professional qualifications.
Software "engineers" don't.
Show me someone who calls themselves a software "engineer" who can put PE or ME or LE after their name and I'll admit to being wrong.


1) the certification industry lagging behind isn't our fault (plus, they have certification for SE for years now...)
2) vast majority of engineers don't bother with that
3) so you mean that all sorts of non-software people have been using their PE to sign on stuff they don't understand?

4) IEEE: https://www.computer.org/web/education/software-engineering-master-certification
5) NCEES PE for Software Engineering: http://ncees.org/ncees-introduces-pe-exam-for-software-engineering/

Would you like to to go further in detail or is IEEE or the National Council of Examiners for Engineering and Surveying enough for you?


Edited by JeepWJ19 (07/03/17 06:53 PM)
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#4448666 - 07/03/17 07:20 PM Re: Message to computer geeks... [Re: BrocLuno]
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Originally Posted By: BrocLuno
Software engineers can't drive a locomotive w/o help laugh


what's a locomotive? ;]


Edited by JeepWJ19 (07/03/17 07:20 PM)
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#4448679 - 07/03/17 07:28 PM Re: Message to computer geeks... [Re: JeepWJ19]
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Mmmyeah it's not engineering. I seem to remember a quote from one of the pioneers of computing that went something like this: "I don't know what to call it, but I know that it is neither engineering nor science". It was Alan Turing or someone like that. I'll have to google a bit.

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#4448694 - 07/03/17 07:42 PM Re: Message to computer geeks... [Re: OneEyeJack]
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#4448729 - 07/03/17 08:04 PM Re: Message to computer geeks... [Re: Ethan1]
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Registered: 09/09/15
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Originally Posted By: Ethan1
Mmmyeah it's not engineering. I seem to remember a quote from one of the pioneers of computing that went something like this: "I don't know what to call it, but I know that it is neither engineering nor science". It was Alan Turing or someone like that. I'll have to google a bit.


So you're going to completely disregard IEEE or the NCEES? Did you look at the links I provided? Is there anything in those requirements from either of them that you find is not worthy of certification?

May you, in your own words, define what REAL engineering is that isn't already specified by the IEEE or the NCEES? Can you explain how, specifically, software engineering is excluded from that?

Also can you, in your own words, explain why it's not real engineering?

Saying 'whatever computing thing' isn't engineering because someone that did computing stuff awhile back said that something wasn't quite engineering... Is just a tad vague.

I don't know how much more evidence I need to silence the elitism/ignorance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_engineering_branches




Edited by JeepWJ19 (07/03/17 08:13 PM)
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#4448739 - 07/03/17 08:12 PM Re: Message to computer geeks... [Re: JeepWJ19]
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Registered: 12/05/09
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Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Originally Posted By: JeepWJ19
Should I take this message to heart? Does this apply to me?

As someone who most would consider a "computer geek" but one who was raised under the guiding hands of strict, loving, supporting parents;seems most of these types of issues are parenting problems.

My dad and I were opposites on a lot of things. He was a technological paradox, as was I. I'd always have to have a computer, and know what I'm doing with it. Yet, I never went hog wild with consumer electronics of other sorts. I still don't have a cell phone. My dad never turned a computer on, yet he had to have the first brick phone, the first VHS VCR, the first hand held GPS, you name it.

And, he taught me most of what I know about vehicles, so I couldn't berate his skills. wink
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