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#4448285 - 07/03/17 11:46 AM BMW B58 Engine oil
Marcozi Offline


Registered: 05/04/17
Posts: 2
Loc: VA
First post!
I've ordered a 2018 BMW M240i. Expect delivery in early September. Dealer sells 0w20 (LL-14) oil. However, I've read in several forums that BMW uses a 0W30 oil for this engine in non-US markets.
Questions:
1. Should I just go with the 0W20 as I don't plan on tracking the car?
2. Is there a suitable 0W30 replacement for this oil.

Btw, the oil can't be carry the BMW LL-04 cert as that oil is designed for ultra=-low sulfur fuels. The US has ultra-low sulphur diesel but not gas.

Thanks!
Mark

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#4448293 - 07/03/17 11:54 AM Re: BMW B58 Engine oil [Re: Marcozi]
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Registered: 06/13/16
Posts: 2548
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Mark, you're right. 0w20 if you don't drive too hard. A little hard driving is fine.
BMW has dealer or ebay (maybe amazon??) available TwinPower 0w30 with a higher HTHS than your 0w20. The Twinpower 0w30 has an HTHS of about 3.0, and your 0w20 comes in at about 2.7, not much difference really. Some people like the bit of extra HTHS protection from the 0w30, but its not necessary. MPG would only drop a percent or two if you use the thicker 0w30.

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#4448297 - 07/03/17 12:02 PM Re: BMW B58 Engine oil [Re: Marcozi]
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That's a [censored] of a car you just ordered! I have been building them just for fun on BMW's website every so often. I would stick with standard LL-01 motor oils. I believe it specifies for it in the manual in addition to LL-01FE. No need to dabble with fuel economy savings in an M240i, in my opinion. The difference is hardly noticeable, and the savings diminish the further into an oil change interval you drive. Motul, Castrol, and Pennzoil make excellent LL-01 oils.
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#4448320 - 07/03/17 12:30 PM Re: BMW B58 Engine oil [Re: Marcozi]
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Registered: 10/20/05
Posts: 11199
Loc: PA
Originally Posted By: Marcozi
First post!
I've ordered a 2018 BMW M240i. Expect delivery in early September. Dealer sells 0w20 (LL-14) oil. However, I've read in several forums that BMW uses a 0W30 oil for this engine in non-US markets.
Questions:
1. Should I just go with the 0W20 as I don't plan on tracking the car?
2. Is there a suitable 0W30 replacement for this oil.

Btw, the oil can't be carry the BMW LL-04 cert as that oil is designed for ultra=-low sulfur fuels. The US has ultra-low sulphur diesel but not gas.

Thanks!
Mark

welcome to BITOG!

Whenever you see the "other markets" argument, ask yourself, "what's to say those other markets are right?" Maybe they should be looking at us and saying, "hey, you can use 0w-20 in the US. Why is our oil so thick?" wink

Also remember: oil should be as thin as possible, but as thick as necessary. Not the other way around.

If your car calls for LL-14, then use that and rest easy.
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#4448326 - 07/03/17 12:48 PM Re: BMW B58 Engine oil [Re: Marcozi]
shanneba Offline


Registered: 07/10/04
Posts: 886
Loc: Indiana (IN)
Originally Posted By: Marcozi
First post!

Btw, the oil can't be carry the BMW LL-04 cert as that oil is designed for ultra=-low sulfur fuels. The US has ultra-low sulphur diesel but not gas.

Thanks!
Mark


I would run the oil BMW specs for the US. If you plan on tracking the car I would consider the EU oil spec.
Remember they can drive at much higher speeds on the autobahn smile Even the 80 mph limit in Texas is a walk in the park for your new BMW :

Are you sure?
Tier 2 had a 80 ppm specification, in 2017 Tier 3 is down to 10 ppm.

https://www.epa.gov/gasoline-standards/gasoline-sulfur
The Tier 2 Gasoline Sulfur program, finalized in 2000, reduced the sulfur content of gasoline by up to 90 percent, enabling the use of new emission control technologies in cars and trucks that reduce harmful air pollution.

Like the Tier 2 program, the Tier 3 program considers the vehicle and its fuel as an integrated system to reduce the impacts of motor vehicles on air quality and public health. The program sets new vehicle emissions standards and lowers the sulfur content of gasoline to a maximum of 10ppm beginning in 2017.


http://www.aecc.eu/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/QUALITY-OF-GASOLINE-AND-DIESEL-FUEL-rev-080703.pdf
The European Union (EU) will cut the sulphur content of petrol and diesel fuels to 50 parts per million (ppm)
in 2005 (Dir. 1998/70/EC) for all road vehicles and will at the same time require that 'zero sulphur' fuels
(maximum 10ppm sulphur) are available "on an appropriately balanced geographical basis" (Dir. 2003/17/EC).
All petrol and diesel must meet the 10ppm limit from the start of 2009.
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#4448332 - 07/03/17 12:58 PM Re: BMW B58 Engine oil [Re: Marcozi]
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Registered: 03/06/16
Posts: 1345
Loc: toronto
Sweet ride and nice engine. I'd personally use the higher HTHS option offered by BMW (regardless of market; CAFE considerations). This is a dual purpose gas/diesel engine block and it's not the reciprocating assy and bearings that are the concern, but the timing components. In general, turbo DI applications have degraded engine oil so much as to compromise the reliability of some timing components (guides, chains, tensioners)- where the NA versions of engines with identical timing parts have not had the issues. BMW has not been exempt from this phenomenon. Also, this Benziner B58 will be expected to run hotter than it's diesel counterpart- the nature of the fuel- and also BMW is using some type of novel adiabatic thermal management for the purpose of retaining engine heat between driving cycles. I'd want the most robust recommended oil with nice HTHS for sure.

Enjoy that ride!

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#4448354 - 07/03/17 01:23 PM Re: BMW B58 Engine oil [Re: Marcozi]
PeterPolyol Offline


Registered: 03/06/16
Posts: 1345
Loc: toronto
Oops, I over-estimated the sophistication of BMWs "Engine Encapsulation" deal for thermal retention; no adiabatic materials used, just insulated splash shielding.
Still a neat idea with good intention.

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#4448383 - 07/03/17 02:05 PM Re: BMW B58 Engine oil [Re: Marcozi]
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Registered: 12/24/11
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Just run Castrol 0W-40. ~$$25 for 5qt and carries LL01.
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#4448425 - 07/03/17 03:02 PM Re: BMW B58 Engine oil [Re: Marcozi]
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Registered: 04/19/10
Posts: 13466
Loc: Chicago, IL
Interesting to see that BMW has switched to low-HTHS (0w20 and the like) on their more performance-oriented engines like the one in the M240i.

I'm sure it would be fine for normal street driving, though I might run a shorter change interval than what the CBS readout shows. I know a lot of people will sleep better at night running something with BMW LL-01 or maybe even Mobil 1 0w40. If you plan to get oil changes at the dealer, ask them to use an LL-01 oil -- they have their own stuff blended by Shell/Pennzoil that would be fine. The M3/5/6 use it, for example.
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#4448429 - 07/03/17 03:11 PM Re: BMW B58 Engine oil [Re: dparm]
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Registered: 04/04/16
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Loc: Oregon
Originally Posted By: dparm
Interesting to see that BMW has switched to low-HTHS (0w20 and the like) on their more performance-oriented engines like the one in the M240i.

I'm sure it would be fine for normal street driving, though I might run a shorter change interval than what the CBS readout shows. I know a lot of people will sleep better at night running something with BMW LL-01 or maybe even Mobil 1 0w40. If you plan to get oil changes at the dealer, ask them to use an LL-01 oil -- they have their own stuff blended by Shell/Pennzoil that would be fine. The M3/5/6 use it, for example.


The 0W-20 recommendation is U.S. specific for fuel economy reasons. I agree that if getting oil changes done by the dealer, request that they use TwinPower Turbo 5W-30 LL-01. I've read that some dealers will just default to the 5W-30 anyways because it's what they have most readily available on hand.
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#4448436 - 07/03/17 03:19 PM Re: BMW B58 Engine oil [Re: Marcozi]
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Registered: 10/20/05
Posts: 11199
Loc: PA
Is LL-01 kosher for the B58, per BMW?
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#4448443 - 07/03/17 03:30 PM Re: BMW B58 Engine oil [Re: d00df00d]
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Registered: 04/04/16
Posts: 1219
Loc: Oregon
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Is LL-01 kosher for the B58, per BMW?


I believe 5W-30, which would imply LL-01, is allowable per the owners manual. Would love clarification from a B58 owner.

Edit: here is the manual for a 2016 340i (B58 engine) https://carmanuals2.com/bmw/340i-sedan-2016-owner-s-manual-91788

LL-01 is listed as approved.


Edited by 1JZ_E46 (07/03/17 03:34 PM)
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#4448488 - 07/03/17 04:15 PM Re: BMW B58 Engine oil [Re: Marcozi]
ArcticDriver Offline


Registered: 01/27/17
Posts: 1139
Loc: USA
All BMW oils are now supplied by SHELL since 2015.

http://www.bmwblog.com/2014/11/10/bmw-replaces-castrol-shell-recommended-oil-supplier/

http://www.shell.com/business-customers/...l-supplier.html

Just thought I would toss that little tidbit in here.



Edited by ArcticDriver (07/03/17 04:17 PM)
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#4448497 - 07/03/17 04:28 PM Re: BMW B58 Engine oil [Re: ArcticDriver]
1JZ_E46 Online   content


Registered: 04/04/16
Posts: 1219
Loc: Oregon
Originally Posted By: ArcticDriver
All BMW oils are now supplied by SHELL since 2015.

http://www.bmwblog.com/2014/11/10/bmw-replaces-castrol-shell-recommended-oil-supplier/

http://www.shell.com/business-customers/...l-supplier.html

Just thought I would toss that little tidbit in here.



Correct. They fall under the TwinPower Turbo brand of BMW oil.
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#4448551 - 07/03/17 05:27 PM Re: BMW B58 Engine oil [Re: 1JZ_E46]
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Registered: 06/13/16
Posts: 2548
Loc: MN
Originally Posted By: 1JZ_E46
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Is LL-01 kosher for the B58, per BMW?


I believe 5W-30, which would imply LL-01, is allowable per the owners manual. Would love clarification from a B58 owner.

Edit: here is the manual for a 2016 340i (B58 engine) https://carmanuals2.com/bmw/340i-sedan-2016-owner-s-manual-91788

LL-01 is listed as approved.


That manual for the B58 engine (2016 model) also specifies LL-01 FE, but not the N20's 0w20 LL-14.
Anybody seen the 2018 model manual? Have they started recommending LL-14 0w20 like they already use in the N20 now?

Looking back at the original post, it does look like the upcoming 240i owner just noticed the dealer had 0w20, not that the manual actually allowed its usage in the 2018 model B58.

If thats case, my advice is to use BMW TwinPower 0w30 LL-01 FE oil since its fully BMW approved, and only use the next higher HTHS oil if you want to race or track the car.
Those are dealer oil changes you'll be getting. They might just use LL-01 thicker oil for a slight loss in MPG and peak power.

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