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What's with tires angled out at the botton #4447786
07/02/17 07:36 PM
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Mid-West
sceva Offline OP
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I have seen several (sporty) cars in my area lately that looks like they're sitting on broken axles. the tires are on an angle and further out at the bottom than the top. Is there a reason for this other than someone thinking it looks cool? It seems to me that it would just wear out some expensive tires sooner.


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Re: What's with tires angled out at the botton [Re: sceva] #4447790
07/02/17 07:39 PM
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out there
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Its intentional negative camber, seems to be preferred by the baggy pants crowd.


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Re: What's with tires angled out at the botton [Re: sceva] #4447793
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Central Maryland
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"because race car". Nothing good comes of it. Drivers with zero lateral G instrumentation will swear it's better, or give vague "more responsive" answers.


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Re: What's with tires angled out at the botton [Re: sceva] #4447804
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That's right.
The kids that destroy their cars to angle the wheels at 45 degrees camber; that's what they call "stance".
OTOH some factory cars come with subtle degrees of negative camber, that's legitimately for improved handling.


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Re: What's with tires angled out at the botton [Re: sceva] #4447809
07/02/17 07:59 PM
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Phoenix, AZ
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Is this just now starting out in the mid-west? Seems like it's every other car here for 8-10 years.


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Re: What's with tires angled out at the botton [Re: sceva] #4447832
07/02/17 08:17 PM
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I had to get 2 alignments to minimize the factory -2deg in rear down to -1.65 deg. on my Mazda RX8

These cars at least won't spin out very easy which is reason for rear neg camber from factory.

Those cocked 45 degs might actually spin easy since only a little inside tread is on road.

I never do style, only function when I tune suspension.

On my BMW X1 s28i I had a horrendous sway at over 100 mph found while on German hwy.

Instead of the conventional wisdom to put spacers on both wheels to be flush with body, I put only on front and got rid of the sway.

Re: What's with tires angled out at the botton [Re: sceva] #4447833
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"its hella stanced bro"


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Re: What's with tires angled out at the botton [Re: sceva] #4447839
07/02/17 08:28 PM
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OH
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Theoretically, negative camber provides more cornering stability, but that's really only applicable on the track. Having that on a street car will cause premature wear.


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Re: What's with tires angled out at the botton [Re: sceva] #4447840
07/02/17 08:29 PM
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I think it's hella stupid. But anyway, I wonder how many miles they get out of the tire that way before the belt shows up.

Re: What's with tires angled out at the botton [Re: sceva] #4447849
07/02/17 08:45 PM
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Where the wind comes sweepin'
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Where the wind comes sweepin'
Stance Nation my friend.




Sometimes it's imitation (or real use) for drifting.

Other times it is imitation of the VIP scene in Japan:


Re: What's with tires angled out at the botton [Re: sceva] #4447853
07/02/17 08:49 PM
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PA
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I passed 3 of 'em today here in PA all doing 50 mph on the interstate in a mini-parade: a roughly '96 Accord wagon, an S2000, and a little Civic hatchy.

The wagon just had seriously offset wheels, only about 2" of tire was in the fender. The rest was sticking out, but the entire tread contact patch was on the road.

The other two were at 45 degree angles, not sure how this is benificial to handling, tire life, safety, etc etc.

Another thing I've seen is wide rims with not wide enough tires, the sidewalls spread out in an attempt to make contact with the rim.

I guess every generation has their "thing". Twenty years ago when I was in my 20's I had neon lights all underneath my car...

Re: What's with tires angled out at the botton [Re: sceva] #4447854
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My 300ZX has a slight negative camber straight from the factory. These cars eat front tires like crazy. Alot of Z owners buy a kit that gets rid of the negative camber.


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Re: What's with tires angled out at the botton [Re: sceva] #4447855
07/02/17 08:51 PM
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Taiwan
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Taiwan
If its just the tyres then they're coming off. If its the wheels then its a lifestyle statement, and if you have to ask you aren't "cool"

Re: What's with tires angled out at the botton [Re: sceva] #4447859
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Re: What's with tires angled out at the botton [Re: sceva] #4447866
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out there
spasm3 Offline
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That much negative camber would be a trip with bias-ply tires!


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