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OCI Recommend #4447465
07/02/17 01:45 PM
07/02/17 01:45 PM
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Massachusetts
CarlGR Offline OP
CarlGR  Offline OP
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I have a little conundrum! I had a couple of strokes last year and because of I only put 600 miles on my RAV (could not drive). Question is, since the short mileage and one year since change, what would you suggest for my OCI? Used Castrol Edge last change with PS7020 K&N filter.


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Carl

2013 Rav4 XLE
2017 Rogue Sport SV
M1 / Castrol Edge 0W-20
Re: OCI Recommend [Re: CarlGR] #4447484
07/02/17 02:24 PM
07/02/17 02:24 PM
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Idaho
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You probably could go longer but being concerned, change the oil and filter.


2015 Ford F150 2.7
2018 Ford F350 6.2
Re: OCI Recommend [Re: CarlGR] #4447493
07/02/17 02:37 PM
07/02/17 02:37 PM
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change every 2years. but dont worry avout it unless your usage of the car is going to also change.

Re: OCI Recommend [Re: CarlGR] #4447512
07/02/17 02:57 PM
07/02/17 02:57 PM
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Colorado
Kuato Offline
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First off, glad that you've gotten better and hope the trend continues.

Oil: only 600 miles leaves no question for me - ok for the oil to stay in. The only "?" I would have is the filter, and that's likely just fine as well.


Thick vs Thin test: 15k / 43k miles complete
Re: OCI Recommend [Re: Kuato] #4447528
07/02/17 03:28 PM
07/02/17 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted By: Kuato
The only "?" I would have is the filter, and that's likely just fine as well.


I would NOT even question the filter.
I have never had one fail due to calendar time - EVER.

Go 5,000 on your oil & filter, that's plenty safe.


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: OCI Recommend [Re: CarlGR] #4447593
07/02/17 04:34 PM
07/02/17 04:34 PM
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Don't tell the RAV, but you could certainly leave oil and filter in service for another year.
If you start driving the car a whole lot more, then maybe you could change the oil a little early in miles.
I wouldn't throw away oil that's only done 600 miles.


17 Forester 12K MSS 0W-20
12 Accord LX 92K PP 5W-20
09 Forester 95K M1HM 10W-30
01 Focus ZX3 118K PP 5W-20
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Re: OCI Recommend [Re: CarlGR] #4447617
07/02/17 04:55 PM
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I would change it every 2 years as suggested above


06 Cadillac Escalade Ext
17 Cadillac ATS (wife)
05 Toyota Camry (daughter)
11 GMC Canyon off-road (daily)
Re: OCI Recommend [Re: CarlGR] #4447633
07/02/17 05:11 PM
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Massachusetts
CarlGR Offline OP
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Thank you all. I received the responses I was hoping to hear.


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Carl

2013 Rav4 XLE
2017 Rogue Sport SV
M1 / Castrol Edge 0W-20
Re: OCI Recommend [Re: CarlGR] #4447707
07/02/17 06:56 PM
07/02/17 06:56 PM
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Interesting that all of you say TWO years.

What evidence do you have to support that? Does the maintenance schedule in the Owner's Manual state 2 years?

The reason I ask is that I have always read and heard ONE year.

Here is what a Toyota Service Center instructs:

What are the oil change intervals using synthetic oil?
Only Toyota vehicles in which 0w-20 synthetic oil is required (except for the 2TR-FE and 3UR-FBE Engines*) have been approved for extended oil change intervals of 10,000-miles/12-months. (However, you should continue to check the oil level regularly and top off if needed. That will help your engine get the full benefit of synthetic oil.)

Vehicles in which 0w-20 is an option to 5w-20 mineral oil, (or 5w-30), will continue to require 5,000-mile/6-month oil change intervals, even if 0w-20 oil is used.
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Multiple Diesel and Gasoline vehicles
Re: OCI Recommend [Re: CarlGR] #4447740
07/02/17 07:30 PM
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Western usa
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I've noticed the advice on this has changed over the years. Has there been any UOA's on oil left in for 2-5 years ? Just curious.

Re: OCI Recommend [Re: Ammofirst] #4447748
07/02/17 07:36 PM
07/02/17 07:36 PM
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Kuato Offline
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Originally Posted By: Ammofirst
I've noticed the advice on this has changed over the years. Has there been any UOA's on oil left in for 2-5 years ? Just curious.


Yes, several. Up to 7 years IIRC. And the oil was serviceable.


Thick vs Thin test: 15k / 43k miles complete
Re: OCI Recommend [Re: CarlGR] #4447788
07/02/17 08:37 PM
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I would take it for a nice long hwy trip to cook out any condensation and get everything loosened up again.

If it's going to keep you up at night, change it. Otherwise run it to 5k (conservative)


2010 Ford Fusion SE 3.0L V6, 178k miles M1 HM 10w-30
Re: OCI Recommend [Re: Kuato] #4447820
07/02/17 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted By: Kuato
Originally Posted By: Ammofirst
I've noticed the advice on this has changed over the years. Has there been any UOA's on oil left in for 2-5 years ? Just curious.


Yes, several. Up to 7 years IIRC. And the oil was serviceable.


I wish guys would post UOAs to support their comments...otherwise it just appears to be personal opinion from strangers.


Multiple Diesel and Gasoline vehicles
Re: OCI Recommend [Re: ArcticDriver] #4447850
07/02/17 09:46 PM
07/02/17 09:46 PM
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Taiwan
Ducked Offline
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Originally Posted By: ArcticDriver
Originally Posted By: Kuato
Originally Posted By: Ammofirst
I've noticed the advice on this has changed over the years. Has there been any UOA's on oil left in for 2-5 years ? Just curious.


Yes, several. Up to 7 years IIRC. And the oil was serviceable.


I wish guys would post UOAs to support their comments...otherwise it just appears to be personal opinion from strangers.


I'm on about 5 years on low mileage in tropical conditions with mineral oil. Seems OK, in my personal opinion, but I am a bit strange.


(If I had to get a UOA to verify it it'd be cheaper to just change the oil, so I won't be doing that, but I'm interested when other people do.)

Re: OCI Recommend [Re: ArcticDriver] #4447901
07/02/17 10:48 PM
07/02/17 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted By: ArcticDriver
Interesting that all of you say TWO years.

What evidence do you have to support that? Does the maintenance schedule in the Owner's Manual state 2 years?

The reason I ask is that I have always read and heard ONE year.

Here is what a Toyota Service Center instructs:

What are the oil change intervals using synthetic oil?
Only Toyota vehicles in which 0w-20 synthetic oil is required (except for the 2TR-FE and 3UR-FBE Engines*) have been approved for extended oil change intervals of 10,000-miles/12-months. (However, you should continue to check the oil level regularly and top off if needed. That will help your engine get the full benefit of synthetic oil.)

Vehicles in which 0w-20 is an option to 5w-20 mineral oil, (or 5w-30), will continue to require 5,000-mile/6-month oil change intervals, even if 0w-20 oil is used.
------------------------------------------


1) In the US, the engineers and lawyers design to the lowest common denominator so there's some buffer room.
Case in point, the fuel warning light or range meter. There is easily 2 gallons and when the Fuel light goes on or the Range says Refuel now. Same with the oil recommendation. If humans were more like say a Star Trek Vulcan, when range=0 miles and fuel hits E, then the car would be exactly out of gas.

2) The OP's oil choice is better than the minimal synthetic oil requirements.

Therefore, a doubling of the printed recommendation from the engineers leads to the 2year rec. If you want to stay by the book, then the book is there, no need to post to ask for an alternate rec.

Additionally, I can see other Legal+Sales and marketting guys have a hand in that too. It is harder to justify a safety-only maintenance check where nothing gets done; so they may force that on you by having a required 1year service procedure.
From a sales perspective that's a win. But also from a legal perspective they want to CYA so they can say you missed a maintenance and that's why your car isn't working right.


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