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#4447465 - 07/02/17 01:45 PM OCI Recommend
CarlGR Offline


Registered: 06/06/16
Posts: 18
Loc: Massachusetts
I have a little conundrum! I had a couple of strokes last year and because of I only put 600 miles on my RAV (could not drive). Question is, since the short mileage and one year since change, what would you suggest for my OCI? Used Castrol Edge last change with PS7020 K&N filter.
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#4447484 - 07/02/17 02:24 PM Re: OCI Recommend [Re: CarlGR]
CT8 Offline


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You probably could go longer but being concerned, change the oil and filter.
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#4447493 - 07/02/17 02:37 PM Re: OCI Recommend [Re: CarlGR]
raytseng Offline


Registered: 12/11/08
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change every 2years. but dont worry avout it unless your usage of the car is going to also change.

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#4447512 - 07/02/17 02:57 PM Re: OCI Recommend [Re: CarlGR]
Kuato Offline


Registered: 10/23/05
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First off, glad that you've gotten better and hope the trend continues.

Oil: only 600 miles leaves no question for me - ok for the oil to stay in. The only "?" I would have is the filter, and that's likely just fine as well.
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#4447528 - 07/02/17 03:28 PM Re: OCI Recommend [Re: Kuato]
Linctex Offline


Registered: 12/31/16
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Originally Posted By: Kuato
The only "?" I would have is the filter, and that's likely just fine as well.


I would NOT even question the filter.
I have never had one fail due to calendar time - EVER.

Go 5,000 on your oil & filter, that's plenty safe.
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#4447593 - 07/02/17 04:34 PM Re: OCI Recommend [Re: CarlGR]
fdcg27 Offline


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Don't tell the RAV, but you could certainly leave oil and filter in service for another year.
If you start driving the car a whole lot more, then maybe you could change the oil a little early in miles.
I wouldn't throw away oil that's only done 600 miles.
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#4447617 - 07/02/17 04:55 PM Re: OCI Recommend [Re: CarlGR]
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I would change it every 2 years as suggested above
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#4447633 - 07/02/17 05:11 PM Re: OCI Recommend [Re: CarlGR]
CarlGR Offline


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Thank you all. I received the responses I was hoping to hear.
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#4447707 - 07/02/17 06:56 PM Re: OCI Recommend [Re: CarlGR]
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Registered: 01/27/17
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Interesting that all of you say TWO years.

What evidence do you have to support that? Does the maintenance schedule in the Owner's Manual state 2 years?

The reason I ask is that I have always read and heard ONE year.

Here is what a Toyota Service Center instructs:

What are the oil change intervals using synthetic oil?
Only Toyota vehicles in which 0w-20 synthetic oil is required (except for the 2TR-FE and 3UR-FBE Engines*) have been approved for extended oil change intervals of 10,000-miles/12-months. (However, you should continue to check the oil level regularly and top off if needed. That will help your engine get the full benefit of synthetic oil.)

Vehicles in which 0w-20 is an option to 5w-20 mineral oil, (or 5w-30), will continue to require 5,000-mile/6-month oil change intervals, even if 0w-20 oil is used.
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#4447740 - 07/02/17 07:30 PM Re: OCI Recommend [Re: CarlGR]
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Registered: 06/22/17
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Loc: Western usa
I've noticed the advice on this has changed over the years. Has there been any UOA's on oil left in for 2-5 years ? Just curious.

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#4447748 - 07/02/17 07:36 PM Re: OCI Recommend [Re: Ammofirst]
Kuato Offline


Registered: 10/23/05
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Originally Posted By: Ammofirst
I've noticed the advice on this has changed over the years. Has there been any UOA's on oil left in for 2-5 years ? Just curious.


Yes, several. Up to 7 years IIRC. And the oil was serviceable.
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#4447788 - 07/02/17 08:37 PM Re: OCI Recommend [Re: CarlGR]
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Registered: 06/29/11
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I would take it for a nice long hwy trip to cook out any condensation and get everything loosened up again.

If it's going to keep you up at night, change it. Otherwise run it to 5k (conservative)
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#4447820 - 07/02/17 09:09 PM Re: OCI Recommend [Re: Kuato]
ArcticDriver Offline


Registered: 01/27/17
Posts: 1139
Loc: USA
Originally Posted By: Kuato
Originally Posted By: Ammofirst
I've noticed the advice on this has changed over the years. Has there been any UOA's on oil left in for 2-5 years ? Just curious.


Yes, several. Up to 7 years IIRC. And the oil was serviceable.


I wish guys would post UOAs to support their comments...otherwise it just appears to be personal opinion from strangers.
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#4447850 - 07/02/17 09:46 PM Re: OCI Recommend [Re: ArcticDriver]
Ducked Offline


Registered: 10/25/12
Posts: 4360
Loc: Taiwan
Originally Posted By: ArcticDriver
Originally Posted By: Kuato
Originally Posted By: Ammofirst
I've noticed the advice on this has changed over the years. Has there been any UOA's on oil left in for 2-5 years ? Just curious.


Yes, several. Up to 7 years IIRC. And the oil was serviceable.


I wish guys would post UOAs to support their comments...otherwise it just appears to be personal opinion from strangers.


I'm on about 5 years on low mileage in tropical conditions with mineral oil. Seems OK, in my personal opinion, but I am a bit strange.


(If I had to get a UOA to verify it it'd be cheaper to just change the oil, so I won't be doing that, but I'm interested when other people do.)

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#4447901 - 07/02/17 10:48 PM Re: OCI Recommend [Re: ArcticDriver]
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Registered: 12/11/08
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Loc: CA
Originally Posted By: ArcticDriver
Interesting that all of you say TWO years.

What evidence do you have to support that? Does the maintenance schedule in the Owner's Manual state 2 years?

The reason I ask is that I have always read and heard ONE year.

Here is what a Toyota Service Center instructs:

What are the oil change intervals using synthetic oil?
Only Toyota vehicles in which 0w-20 synthetic oil is required (except for the 2TR-FE and 3UR-FBE Engines*) have been approved for extended oil change intervals of 10,000-miles/12-months. (However, you should continue to check the oil level regularly and top off if needed. That will help your engine get the full benefit of synthetic oil.)

Vehicles in which 0w-20 is an option to 5w-20 mineral oil, (or 5w-30), will continue to require 5,000-mile/6-month oil change intervals, even if 0w-20 oil is used.
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1) In the US, the engineers and lawyers design to the lowest common denominator so there's some buffer room.
Case in point, the fuel warning light or range meter. There is easily 2 gallons and when the Fuel light goes on or the Range says Refuel now. Same with the oil recommendation. If humans were more like say a Star Trek Vulcan, when range=0 miles and fuel hits E, then the car would be exactly out of gas.

2) The OP's oil choice is better than the minimal synthetic oil requirements.

Therefore, a doubling of the printed recommendation from the engineers leads to the 2year rec. If you want to stay by the book, then the book is there, no need to post to ask for an alternate rec.

Additionally, I can see other Legal+Sales and marketting guys have a hand in that too. It is harder to justify a safety-only maintenance check where nothing gets done; so they may force that on you by having a required 1year service procedure.
From a sales perspective that's a win. But also from a legal perspective they want to CYA so they can say you missed a maintenance and that's why your car isn't working right.



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