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The slide was "a little sluggish." #4446776
07/01/17 01:54 PM
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Yah-Tah-Hey Offline OP
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Omaha World Herald carried a story this morning of a Douglas County deputy accidentally discharging his service weapon in the courthouse. The only casualty was the x-ray machine. What would the officer have noticed that led him to believe that the slide was "a little sluggish?" Would he have noticed that the slide was not fully extended or maybe the bolt had not fully seated the cartridge in the receiver? Apparently, whatever the deputy was doing " to clear his weapon" was not the correct procedure because the x-ray machine had holes in both sides of the enclosure.And the Douglas County Attorney's Office would have had a hole in the wall if it had not been for a concrete wall. I think maybe the Sheriff's Captain was not giving an accurate account to the OWH on what actually happened. How does one determine if an action is "sluggish" without actually pulling the slide back? I've never owned an an automatic because I was concerned that I might
accidentally shoot myself. With my S&W Model 10 and Model 18, I always know the weapons' status, and the built in safety features prevent accidental discharge when loading. You really have to be "fiddling" with a revolver to accidentally discharge it.

Re: The slide was "a little sluggish." [Re: Yah-Tah-Hey] #4446784
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How about finger on the trigger.


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Re: The slide was "a little sluggish." [Re: CT8] #4446795
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Originally Posted By: CT8
How about finger on the trigger.
You mean the deputy was pulling the trigger when he was attempting to rack the action? ?????

Re: The slide was "a little sluggish." [Re: Yah-Tah-Hey] #4446802
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Originally Posted By: HosteenJorje
Originally Posted By: CT8
How about finger on the trigger.
You mean the deputy was pulling the trigger when he was attempting to rack the action? ?????


Ive seen that happen.

UD

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Re: The slide was "a little sluggish." [Re: Yah-Tah-Hey] #4446807
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Originally Posted By: HosteenJorje
Originally Posted By: CT8
How about finger on the trigger.
You mean the deputy was pulling the trigger when he was attempting to rack the action? ?????
Yes. It is easy to do. That is why Semis with out decock have more Negligent discharges


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Re: The slide was "a little sluggish." [Re: CT8] #4446812
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Originally Posted By: CT8
Originally Posted By: HosteenJorje
Originally Posted By: CT8
How about finger on the trigger.
You mean the deputy was pulling the trigger when he was attempting to rack the action? ?????
Yes. It is easy to do. That is why Semis with out decock have more Negligent discharges
I,m not familiar with "decock." Is that a feature that allows an automatic to be unloaded without the possibility of a discharge.? Apparently the officers service weapon didn't have that feature. Wonder who is going to pay to have the x-ray machine repaired.

Re: The slide was "a little sluggish." [Re: Yah-Tah-Hey] #4446828
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Decock, another lever to let the hammer down without one having to try and hold the hammer and pull the trigger. Works very well on my Sig



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Re: The slide was "a little sluggish." [Re: Yah-Tah-Hey] #4446831
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Never have your finger on the trigger. I follow that rule. All my handguns are carried chambered and no safety on if equipped, unless I had a 1911


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Re: The slide was "a little sluggish." [Re: Yah-Tah-Hey] #4446834
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Safe direction. Finger off trigger. Drop the magazine, cycle the slide. Visual check of empty chamber. Weapon unloaded. Should never have unholstered in that environment. Hopefully Douglas County is looking for another deputy with some gun handling skills. Negligent discharge, not accidental discharge.

Not sure what's to be afraid of with semi-autos (I've never owned an automatic pistol). As always the problem is the operator not the firearm.


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Re: The slide was "a little sluggish." [Re: Yah-Tah-Hey] #4446836
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Its possible to occurr on a 1911 withour finger on the trigger..but not with a striker fired pistol. Don't know about tthe type 3913 whick "decocks"


Re: The slide was "a little sluggish." [Re: bioburner] #4446858
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Originally Posted By: bioburner
Decock, another lever to let the hammer down without one having to try and hold the hammer and pull the trigger. Works very well on my Sig


And on the sig if I recall its a fairly quiet affair.

On my Ruger P85 it sounds like a dry fire, which is the last thing you want if you are in a situation you wish to de-escalate.

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Re: The slide was "a little sluggish." [Re: Yah-Tah-Hey] #4446869
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Originally Posted By: HosteenJorje
Originally Posted By: CT8
Originally Posted By: HosteenJorje
Originally Posted By: CT8
How about finger on the trigger.
You mean the deputy was pulling the trigger when he was attempting to rack the action? ?????
Yes. It is easy to do. That is why Semis with out decock have more Negligent discharges
I,m not familiar with "decock." Is that a feature that allows an automatic to be unloaded without the possibility of a discharge.? Apparently the officers service weapon didn't have that feature. Wonder who is going to pay to have the x-ray machine repaired.
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Re: The slide was "a little sluggish." [Re: AZjeff] #4446871
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Originally Posted By: AZjeff
Safe direction. Finger off trigger. Drop the magazine, cycle the slide. Visual check of empty chamber. Weapon unloaded. Should never have unholstered in that environment. Hopefully Douglas County is looking for another deputy with some gun handling skills. Negligent discharge, not accidental discharge.

Not sure what's to be afraid of with semi-autos (I've never owned an automatic pistol). As always the problem is the operator not the firearm.
You mentioned the basic safe handling skills. Guns are fairly simple devices.


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Re: The slide was "a little sluggish." [Re: CT8] #4446888
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Originally Posted By: CT8
You mentioned the basic safe handling skills. Guns are fairly simple devices.


Unfortunately so are some of the people carrying them. I know a guy who shot a hole in the floor of the job site trailer he was sitting in while employed as a security guard. He was "looking at his pistol and it went off".


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Re: The slide was "a little sluggish." [Re: Yah-Tah-Hey] #4446927
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doesn't matter if it's the pope himself...Negligent Discharge.

Whether it's a 5 day or a 30 day rip; eat it and be glad your mistake didn't cost a life or serious injury. Doesn't get much simpler. And blaming the trigger pull requirement to remove the slide is the same argument that the fork is responsible for Rosie O'Donnel being fat. LE Firearms Instructor for 15 years...same standard applies to me. I own every bullet I'm issued.

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