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Toughest Performance Based Certs for oil? #4446607
07/01/17 11:14 AM
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gryffinwings Offline OP
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What oil certs are the toughest performance wise, I havent found a lot of details on many. Currently the only ones I can think of are A3/B3 and Porsche A40. Anybody have the specs on those for testing as well as other tough performance based oil testing? I don't care too much about fuel economy based test.

Last edited by gryffinwings; 07/01/17 11:14 AM.

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Re: Toughest Performance Based Certs for oil? [Re: gryffinwings] #4446621
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Honda HTO-06 is a good spec to meet if you are concerned with turbocharged gasoline engines.


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Re: Toughest Performance Based Certs for oil? [Re: gryffinwings] #4446633
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A3B4 is tougher than A3B3. A40 is probably the best petrol spec an oil can attain.
The ACEA E sequences are very tough to pass but have different parameters.


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Re: Toughest Performance Based Certs for oil? [Re: gryffinwings] #4446637
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How about DEXOS?

Re: Toughest Performance Based Certs for oil? [Re: gryffinwings] #4446644
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Mercedes Benz 229.52 is very hard to find.

UD


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Re: Toughest Performance Based Certs for oil? [Re: UncleDave] #4446672
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So this would have to be two decimal places:


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Re: Toughest Performance Based Certs for oil? [Re: gryffinwings] #4446679
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If it meets A3/B4 and Porsche A40 you can bet it's a good high performance oil.


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Re: Toughest Performance Based Certs for oil? [Re: 4WD] #4446685
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Originally Posted By: 4WD
So this would have to be two decimal places:



Correct 229.5 is a regular full saps oil.

.51 is harder to find
.52 is like finding hens teeth

You can find .52 on the web, and on a list from MB, but finding it on a shelf is rare.

UD

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Re: Toughest Performance Based Certs for oil? [Re: UncleDave] #4446698
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Thought M1 ESP got .52 early this year?

Re: Toughest Performance Based Certs for oil? [Re: gryffinwings] #4446710
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ESP did, thats about the easiest find and what I run,

but its almost never on shelves and Im stuck with the "tyranny of one oil" for 2 vehicles.

there are a few big name guys that make it - its just never off a shelf in So cal.

UD


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Re: Toughest Performance Based Certs for oil? [Re: gryffinwings] #4446719
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What would be the wear protection out of 10 be for A40.
Can we compare it directly to ht06, dexos, gm 4718m a3b3 numbers ?


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Re: Toughest Performance Based Certs for oil? [Re: UncleDave] #4446726
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Ah, understand now - I even got the "M" from eBay ...

Re: Toughest Performance Based Certs for oil? [Re: merconvvv] #4446746
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Hello merconvvv,

Originally Posted By: merconvvv
What would be the wear protection out of 10 be for A40.
Can we compare it directly to ht06, dexos, gm 4718m a3b3 numbers ?




You can compare most of these specs at https://online.lubrizol.com/relperftool/pc.html


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2010 Nissan Qashqai 2.0, Shell Helix Ultra 5W30 (A3/B4,MB 229.5,502.00/505.00)
Re: Toughest Performance Based Certs for oil? [Re: gryffinwings] #4446811
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Wow thanks.
So in picture below the ford has better wear slightly than a3b3 ? I am reading that right.



?


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1994 Chrysler Concorde 3.3
1999 Ford Expedition 4.6 QSUD 10W30 NOACK 5.0
Re: Toughest Performance Based Certs for oil? [Re: merconvvv] #4446845
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merconvvv,

In theory yes. In practice the A3/B3 and A3/B4 oils will also carry some other specs (for example, A40, MB 229.5) which are hard to beat in terms of wear protection.

You need to remember that ACEA specs are not enforced, meaning that ACEA does not issue control checks on sold products in Europe or NA, and since there are no checks, I would rather buy an A3 oil with some other manufacture specification combined. For example, in order to carry MB 229.x spec the oil needs to be tested by Daimler.


2001 Honda CBR 600 F4i, Castrol Power 1 Racing 4T 10W40 (SM,MA2)
2010 Nissan Qashqai 2.0, Shell Helix Ultra 5W30 (A3/B4,MB 229.5,502.00/505.00)
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