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High mileage oil??? #4444505
06/29/17 03:27 AM
06/29/17 03:27 AM
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OneEyeJack Offline OP
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Looking at the bottle the cutoff for high mileage is 75K. What's going on? I'm at 165K+ with my 2003 V8 4Runner and I consider it just about broken in. My 4Runner can't be that much different than millions of other vehicles out there, so what the heck is this 75K number doing there? I know the level on the dipstick moves during my 10K OCI with 0w-30 synthetic oil but it's never more than 1/4th of an inch or so. I'm not going to change what's working just because of a mileage number from someone in a marketing department somewhere especially when I don't believe them.

Re: High mileage oil??? [Re: OneEyeJack] #4444521
06/29/17 05:01 AM
06/29/17 05:01 AM
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Just marketing nonsense to get you to buy it.


2002 Jeep WJ 4.0 | Mobil 1 HM 5w30 |
TG8A | 2.5" lift | 148k miles

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Re: High mileage oil??? [Re: OneEyeJack] #4444522
06/29/17 05:02 AM
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Crawfordville FL
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Marketing


2010 Ford Fusion SE 3.0L V6, 181 miles M1 HM 10w-30
Re: High mileage oil??? [Re: OneEyeJack] #4444523
06/29/17 05:04 AM
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I do agree with you on this Oneyejack. I have 190k miles in my car and just tried the Valvoline Maxlife Full synthetic 5w30. Only because I just wanted to run it. No other reason really. So far so good with it. I am very pleased with it. Always good to see you on here.


Nissan Altima 3.5 Coupe
Mobil Super 5w30 Wix 57356
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Re: High mileage oil??? [Re: OneEyeJack] #4444538
06/29/17 05:46 AM
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It's as much for people that don't know any better as the 3,000 mile interval printed on most quick lube windshield stickers. IMHO the cars that populate our roads today (mostly models from the mid 90's and up) could generally be considered at a "high mileage" threshold at around 150K under the average consumer's care.


To quote a friend, "Synthetics, man."

'85 GMC C3500, 454, 132K
'82 Mercedes 300CD, OM617 turbo, 173K (totaled 2018, in rehab)
'85 Mercedes 300TD, OM617 turbo, 217K (wife's)
'67 Suburban, 350, 331K
Re: High mileage oil??? [Re: OneEyeJack] #4444548
06/29/17 06:08 AM
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Balearic Islands , Spain
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Marketing nonsense, if it doesn't leak or burn oil, keep using whatever you were using-


1975 Ford Capri II Ghia 3000 V6, - Shell Helix HX3 20W-50 w/ 20% Rimula R4X 15W-40 HDEO.
1988 Ford Escort XR3i Cabrio, - Shell Rimula R4X 15W-40, w/ 30% Helix 3 20W-50.


Re: High mileage oil??? [Re: OneEyeJack] #4444549
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I am one of the people that does not know any better. But I do know that Pennzoil High Mileage stopped/slowed seal weeps on two different cars. Maxlife and Mobil Super HM did not help.


1992 Toyota Pickup--PYB 10W-30--Fram PH3614
Re: High mileage oil??? [Re: OneEyeJack] #4444559
06/29/17 06:33 AM
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Appalachia
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Slightly thicker with additives to condition and swell seals.

Re: High mileage oil??? [Re: FordCapriDriver] #4444566
06/29/17 06:48 AM
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Char Baby Offline
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Originally Posted By: JeepWJ19
Just marketing nonsense to get you to buy it.
Originally Posted By: SilverFusion2010
Marketing
Originally Posted By: FordCapriDriver
Marketing nonsense, if it doesn't leak or burn oil, keep using whatever you were using-


^^^THIS!


"Retired"
-----------------------------------

'80 Firebird FORMULA V8/4bbl-purchased "NEW"
'15 Nissan Altima 2.5 SV
'15 Honda Civic LX
Re: High mileage oil??? [Re: OneEyeJack] #4444581
06/29/17 07:23 AM
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I'm considering it in the F350. It has a puff of blue smoke on startup, or if run hard - such as towing a trailer - it will roll some blue coal for a minute or two until it burns off what leaked past the valve seals while turned off overnight.

Switching a 210K mile engine to synthetic surprisingly enough didn't cause it to have any massive leaks. First run turned BLACK in 1K miles. Next run is cleaning nicely, too. It also used a bit of oil after it sat in a junkyard for a few years, but that's calmed down now.

Dunno. We will see! I may change it out to maxlife before the next long trip.


18 Forester 2.5I 6M
00 Jeep XJ
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Re: High mileage oil??? [Re: Miller88] #4444600
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Originally Posted By: Miller88
I'm considering it in the F350. It has a puff of blue smoke on startup, or if run hard - such as towing a trailer - it will roll some blue coal for a minute or two until it burns off what leaked past the valve seals while turned off overnight.

Switching a 210K mile engine to synthetic surprisingly enough didn't cause it to have any massive leaks. First run turned BLACK in 1K miles. Next run is cleaning nicely, too. It also used a bit of oil after it sat in a junkyard for a few years, but that's calmed down now.

Dunno. We will see! I may change it out to maxlife before the next long trip.


Which synthetic did you use?


2012 Hyundai Sonata GLS 6MT 2.4GDI, ProDS 10w30, XG9688 filter, 2018 Mitsubishi Outlander SEL 2.4 CVT, Factory fill still.
Re: High mileage oil??? [Re: Miller88] #4444609
06/29/17 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted By: Miller88
It also used a bit of oil after it sat in a junkyard for a few years, but that's calmed down now.


which engine size & year?


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: High mileage oil??? [Re: OneEyeJack] #4444640
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Marketing works.


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Re: High mileage oil??? [Re: OneEyeJack] #4444705
06/29/17 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
Looking at the bottle the cutoff for high mileage is 75K. What's going on? I'm at 165K+ with my 2003 V8 4Runner and I consider it just about broken in. My 4Runner can't be that much different than millions of other vehicles out there, so what the heck is this 75K number doing there? I know the level on the dipstick moves during my 10K OCI with 0w-30 synthetic oil but it's never more than 1/4th of an inch or so. I'm not going to change what's working just because of a mileage number from someone in a marketing department somewhere especially when I don't believe them.


The 75K-switch over mantra centers around a large majority of new vehicle purchasers that bid farewell to their vehicles, prior to 125K. So the oil companies felt to advertise their high-mileage marketing gimmick of 75k early-enough, before surrendering that automobile title to it's new owner.

With today's engine engineering, 125K should be the new advertising number used for the switch-over to high mileage oils. For only a marginally small percentage of new vehicle purchasers keep their vehicles over 175K.

BTW...I've always been first & last owner of my vehicles. Mine end-up in junkyards 17-18 years later, due to rusted bodies that become either big eyesores or dangerous to drive. Thank you Michigan for all that winter salt.... smirk

Last edited by Triple_Se7en; 06/29/17 09:27 AM.

2019 Hyundai SantaFe 2.4 factory fill QS 5w20 / Factory OEM oil filter
04 Chev Colorado 3.5 QS / Valv syn 5w30 blend K&N filter
03 Chev Malibu 3.1 QS / Valv Syn 5w30 blend Fram EG filter
Re: High mileage oil??? [Re: Triple_Se7en] #4444716
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Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
Looking at the bottle the cutoff for high mileage is 75K. What's going on? I'm at 165K+ with my 2003 V8 4Runner and I consider it just about broken in. My 4Runner can't be that much different than millions of other vehicles out there, so what the heck is this 75K number doing there? I know the level on the dipstick moves during my 10K OCI with 0w-30 synthetic oil but it's never more than 1/4th of an inch or so. I'm not going to change what's working just because of a mileage number from someone in a marketing department somewhere especially when I don't believe them.


The 75K-switch over mantra centers around a large majority of new vehicle purchasers that bid farewell to their vehicles, prior to 125K. So the oil companies felt to advertise their high-mileage marketing gimmick of 75k early-enough, before surrendering that automobile title to it's new owner.

With today's engine engineering, 125K should be the new advertising number used for the switch-over to high mileage oils. For only a marginally small percentage of new vehicle purchasers keep their vehicles over 175K.
The average owner planning to dump a vehicle at 125K isn't going to spend an extra dime on it at 75K.

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